1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:21,760 [Music] 2 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:25,040 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:28,640 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:36,710 --> 00:00:34,530 here's gene Stein with gene and with 5 00:00:39,470 --> 00:00:36,720 Chris on the para cast we've got a 6 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:39,480 fascinating guest first time on the show 7 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:42,690 all about conspiracy theories we'll hear 8 00:00:47,660 --> 00:00:45,330 about that later on but right now as you 9 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:47,670 know a lot of what happens on the para 10 00:00:53,030 --> 00:00:50,250 cast doesn't happen on the show it 11 00:00:56,570 --> 00:00:53,040 happens in our forums at forum dr. Peric 12 00:00:58,850 --> 00:00:56,580 ascom that's forum dr. para cast com so 13 00:01:01,700 --> 00:00:58,860 for example last week we had Nick 14 00:01:04,430 --> 00:01:01,710 Redfern he had a book out called Close 15 00:01:07,250 --> 00:01:04,440 Encounters of the fatal kind whether the 16 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:07,260 premature deaths of certain people may 17 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:09,720 have been related to UFOs or some other 18 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:12,240 conspiracy well Nick occasionally 19 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:15,240 participates in the forums so when some 20 00:01:19,789 --> 00:01:16,740 questions were asked by our listeners 21 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:19,799 Nick showed up to answer them and then 22 00:01:25,220 --> 00:01:22,860 there's a thread that started with Ryan 23 00:01:28,820 --> 00:01:25,230 Skinner's appearance a couple of weeks 24 00:01:31,250 --> 00:01:28,830 back about the latest brouhaha or a 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:31,260 chitchat about the skinwalker ranch and 26 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:33,210 things around it of course he had a 27 00:01:38,300 --> 00:01:35,940 brand new book out to promote and that 28 00:01:40,690 --> 00:01:38,310 has really started a big discussion 29 00:01:43,220 --> 00:01:40,700 Chris you got yourself involved in that 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:43,230 it's good to see we have new signups 31 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:46,170 every week it's a growing online 32 00:01:50,690 --> 00:01:48,960 community here at forum dr. Peric ascom 33 00:01:53,950 --> 00:01:50,700 and of course we invite all our 34 00:01:56,750 --> 00:01:53,960 listeners to get involved ask questions 35 00:02:00,680 --> 00:01:56,760 you know share some of your thoughts and 36 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:00,690 opinions we have a new forum poster who 37 00:02:07,340 --> 00:02:04,200 has been splashing need that particular 38 00:02:10,339 --> 00:02:07,350 thread dry I'm not sure what to say 39 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:10,349 about it Jane except for he sure says 40 00:02:15,619 --> 00:02:13,230 the same thing over and over again well 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:15,629 it's like insanity you keep thinking if 42 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:17,250 you say the same thing over and over 43 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:19,950 again it's gonna change now I'm not 44 00:02:24,259 --> 00:02:22,440 saying here this guy is insane you know 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:24,269 I have no idea he might just be starting 46 00:02:28,850 --> 00:02:26,730 trouble he might sincerely believe what 47 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:28,860 he says I think he does believe what he 48 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:31,350 says however he does have a rather 49 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:34,440 strident persona yes we get a few of 50 00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:37,020 those occasionally we have to ban them 51 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:39,180 you know we say you know what too 52 00:02:44,930 --> 00:02:42,510 strident out the door but we do have a 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:44,940 Terms of Service at the forums and says 54 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:47,730 basically that you're not supposed to 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:50,640 insult people don't be too inflammatory 56 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:53,010 but we tend to be relaxed about 57 00:02:59,090 --> 00:02:56,130 enforcement and we're not going to liken 58 00:03:02,420 --> 00:02:59,100 that to the claims about how we enforce 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:02,430 our borders here in the USA but we let a 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:05,010 person have their say and then if they 61 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:07,050 get a bit abusive or a bit too abusive 62 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:11,070 we say timeout sometimes we ban them for 63 00:03:15,050 --> 00:03:13,200 a couple of weeks or more sometimes we 64 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:15,060 throw them out but we don't do that very 65 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:17,580 often no not at all as a matter of fact 66 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:19,890 we have a very close-knit foreign 67 00:03:24,830 --> 00:03:22,650 community with I must say gene some of 68 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:24,840 our listeners are way more up to speed 69 00:03:29,570 --> 00:03:27,090 in many aspects of the subjects that we 70 00:03:34,220 --> 00:03:29,580 cover here way more up to speed that I 71 00:03:36,170 --> 00:03:34,230 am and it's very rare that I go on to 72 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:36,180 the forums and not learn something new 73 00:03:40,580 --> 00:03:38,520 and I think that's a sign of a good 74 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:40,590 vibrant online community where people 75 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:45,120 are sharing their particular aspects of 76 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:47,010 their research their opinions their 77 00:03:51,250 --> 00:03:49,140 theories and for the most part I think 78 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:51,260 we have a really good give-and-take that 79 00:03:56,350 --> 00:03:54,210 occurs but like you pointed out 80 00:03:58,910 --> 00:03:56,360 sometimes it gets a little heated and 81 00:04:01,730 --> 00:03:58,920 new people are given a little slack at 82 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:01,740 the beginning but ad hominem attacks and 83 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:03,810 Kali name-calling and that sort of thing 84 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:07,050 just doesn't doesn't fly we do ask all 85 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:10,350 our new signups to get involved but you 86 00:04:14,810 --> 00:04:12,450 know have a little bit of a pleasant 87 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:14,820 decorum about you yourself and the 88 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:16,410 information that you're sharing it's 89 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:17,970 interesting about forums is that 90 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:21,450 somebody can be a really sweet person 91 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:23,520 when you talk to them on the phone or we 92 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:25,890 have them on the show or we just meet 93 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:27,930 them personally and then they get into a 94 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:30,360 forum and I guess it's the feeling of 95 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:33,300 anonymity in the forum because suddenly 96 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:34,950 they become a different person 97 00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:37,650 it's Jekyll and Hyde it's lon chaney 98 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:41,040 becoming the Wolfman whatever it is they 99 00:04:44,629 --> 00:04:43,530 become totally the opposite of what you 100 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:44,639 think they are 101 00:04:50,149 --> 00:04:48,090 and that gets to be strange it does but 102 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:50,159 again I think it's important to have a 103 00:04:55,969 --> 00:04:52,050 vibrant online community because that's 104 00:04:57,709 --> 00:04:55,979 where people are really challenged in 105 00:05:00,830 --> 00:04:57,719 terms of their belief systems their 106 00:05:03,740 --> 00:05:00,840 opinions and we have some really bright 107 00:05:07,580 --> 00:05:03,750 up-to-speed people that really are very 108 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:07,590 good at getting a person to really back 109 00:05:11,719 --> 00:05:09,300 up their assertions back up their 110 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:11,729 theories back up their opinions with 111 00:05:16,129 --> 00:05:13,969 some research and with some data and 112 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:16,139 responding the same way over and over 113 00:05:23,209 --> 00:05:20,250 again you know using you know C post 69 114 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:23,219 C post 150 it gets a little I think it 115 00:05:26,899 --> 00:05:24,900 wears a little thin on some of the you 116 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:26,909 know the more longtime posters some 117 00:05:32,779 --> 00:05:29,610 people have been posting here ever since 118 00:05:35,570 --> 00:05:32,789 the Parekh a started back in 2006 and 119 00:05:38,059 --> 00:05:35,580 and we have quite a number of posters 120 00:05:40,730 --> 00:05:38,069 that are posted over a thousand messages 121 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:40,740 on the forums and I think it's important 122 00:05:47,209 --> 00:05:43,409 to share your ideas and back them up but 123 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:47,219 to badger people to sound like a broken 124 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:51,150 record you know to use you know kind of 125 00:05:57,619 --> 00:05:54,089 cliche terms over and over again it gets 126 00:05:59,540 --> 00:05:57,629 old it does Jean well here's an example 127 00:06:02,990 --> 00:05:59,550 of that I'm not going to criticize the 128 00:06:06,829 --> 00:06:03,000 offender but we had a lot of posts from 129 00:06:09,649 --> 00:06:06,839 Tedrow of noir cap now noir cap is one 130 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:09,659 of the most serious energetic dedicated 131 00:06:14,170 --> 00:06:12,300 UFO organizations on the planet they 132 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:14,180 don't call them UFO they call them 133 00:06:19,339 --> 00:06:17,520 unidentified aerial phenomena regardless 134 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:19,349 I guess they don't want to have the 135 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:22,710 toxic feeling of UFOs ted has been very 136 00:06:26,990 --> 00:06:24,539 gracious with this time in the forums 137 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:27,000 he's posted a lot of messages he spent 138 00:06:33,409 --> 00:06:30,150 hours in there talking to our listeners 139 00:06:36,129 --> 00:06:33,419 detailing his viewpoints and we had one 140 00:06:38,869 --> 00:06:36,139 or more people mostly one person and 141 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:38,879 everything he said you know seemed to 142 00:06:42,740 --> 00:06:40,680 get attacked over and over again for a 143 00:06:45,649 --> 00:06:42,750 while I think Ted got disgusted and left 144 00:06:48,110 --> 00:06:45,659 but then he's come back from time to 145 00:06:51,019 --> 00:06:48,120 time and a thing is here if you get a 146 00:06:53,269 --> 00:06:51,029 very well-known guest in our forums and 147 00:06:56,059 --> 00:06:53,279 we've had lots of people there Richard 148 00:06:57,890 --> 00:06:56,069 Dolan has been in there on occasion in 149 00:06:59,499 --> 00:06:57,900 past years and others Nick 150 00:07:01,730 --> 00:06:59,509 for and of course comes in occasionally 151 00:07:04,330 --> 00:07:01,740 show them respect 152 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:04,340 well that's true with anybody if you 153 00:07:09,409 --> 00:07:06,870 disagree with them don't be disagreeable 154 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:09,419 that sounds like a terrible cliche but 155 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:11,940 let them have their say say your piece 156 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:12,870 and get out 157 00:07:19,070 --> 00:07:16,110 but don't just go over and over and on 158 00:07:23,810 --> 00:07:19,080 and on again about the same points get 159 00:07:26,060 --> 00:07:23,820 on with it man write or tune in to some 160 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:26,070 of the humor of threads that are on the 161 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:29,490 forum there's some good ones or the 162 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:31,380 music thread which is blossomed into 163 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:33,930 this you know multi-thousand post 164 00:07:38,810 --> 00:07:36,900 monster or tune into consciousness in 165 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:38,820 the paranormal which is rapidly 166 00:07:44,270 --> 00:07:41,220 approaching the record I think for a 167 00:07:47,060 --> 00:07:44,280 number of posts we're almost up to 2,500 168 00:07:48,590 --> 00:07:47,070 there is some really good posts on there 169 00:07:51,170 --> 00:07:48,600 and there are hundreds and hundreds of 170 00:07:52,670 --> 00:07:51,180 thousands of them and I think if you 171 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:52,680 just spend a little time and go through 172 00:07:56,870 --> 00:07:55,050 look up some of the subjects that you're 173 00:08:00,409 --> 00:07:56,880 interested in you're gonna learn a lot 174 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:00,419 some of them are pretty crazy like for 175 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:03,180 example ten rules for dealing with the 176 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:09,180 police what I hope ya don't get caught 177 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:11,820 don't get caught I think that's really 178 00:08:17,779 --> 00:08:15,240 three words that really sum things up 179 00:08:19,610 --> 00:08:17,789 don't get caught and that's it but you 180 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:19,620 know they cover anything and everything 181 00:08:24,860 --> 00:08:22,590 we don't allow personal ads and stuff 182 00:08:26,750 --> 00:08:24,870 there are a few things we don't allow if 183 00:08:30,050 --> 00:08:26,760 we catch you doing it we're just gonna 184 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:30,060 say bye-bye go to forum dot of para cast 185 00:08:36,290 --> 00:08:33,330 comm forum doctor para cast comm this is 186 00:08:39,860 --> 00:08:36,300 not a paid and you don't pay anything to 187 00:08:43,180 --> 00:08:39,870 join the forums just sign up hang out 188 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:43,190 and say something and there you go today 189 00:08:48,410 --> 00:08:46,290 we're back to conspiracy theories and I 190 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:48,420 got a letter from our old friend Tim 191 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:52,050 Beckley who is sometimes an assistant 192 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:53,550 producer for the show because he has a 193 00:08:59,329 --> 00:08:55,980 lot of great ideas and he says what 194 00:09:02,540 --> 00:08:59,339 about Olaf Phillips who is someone who's 195 00:09:03,860 --> 00:09:02,550 been specializing in conspiracy research 196 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:03,870 for a number of years he's been on all 197 00:09:09,670 --> 00:09:06,750 the major shows he's been on TV and he 198 00:09:11,650 --> 00:09:09,680 talks about secret space program in caps 199 00:09:13,929 --> 00:09:11,660 exotic aircraft 200 00:09:17,569 --> 00:09:13,939 high-technology foreign-policy 201 00:09:19,699 --> 00:09:17,579 prehistory and mysterious civilizations 202 00:09:21,439 --> 00:09:19,709 among other things of course we have 203 00:09:23,809 --> 00:09:21,449 conspiracies everywhere we don't believe 204 00:09:26,629 --> 00:09:23,819 anybody whether it's the IRS and that 205 00:09:28,999 --> 00:09:26,639 story whether it's Benghazi whatever it 206 00:09:30,410 --> 00:09:29,009 is we don't believe it we don't believe 207 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:30,420 the government we don't believe anybody 208 00:09:36,049 --> 00:09:33,569 and into that realm we get people who 209 00:09:38,569 --> 00:09:36,059 specialize in the things that people 210 00:09:41,119 --> 00:09:38,579 have questions about and maybe sometimes 211 00:09:43,939 --> 00:09:41,129 or more than sometimes those theories 212 00:09:46,429 --> 00:09:43,949 are really not what they're cracked up 213 00:09:49,369 --> 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00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:11,210 the para cast com that's news at the 326 00:14:17,020 --> 00:14:14,090 para cast calm and don't forget to visit 327 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:17,030 our famous para cast community forums at 328 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:20,930 forum dot the para cast dot-com 329 00:14:26,889 --> 00:14:23,730 we're joined on the podcast this week by 330 00:14:29,449 --> 00:14:26,899 Olaf Phillips he is the conspiracy 331 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:29,459 researcher and one thing I was saying in 332 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:32,190 the previous segment Olaf is that it 333 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:34,769 seems that we don't believe anything and 334 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:38,010 anyone anymore and let's start with that 335 00:14:40,970 --> 00:14:39,540 before we go into some of the things 336 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:40,980 that our listeners are interested in 337 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:42,810 some of the things that Chris and I are 338 00:14:47,389 --> 00:14:44,850 interested in but first of all how did 339 00:14:51,139 --> 00:14:47,399 you become among all the things one can 340 00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:51,149 become a conspiracy researcher well it 341 00:14:58,220 --> 00:14:54,480 started a long time ago I used UFOs as 342 00:15:01,340 --> 00:14:58,230 the gateway so to speak when I was eight 343 00:15:05,180 --> 00:15:01,350 years old I saw something anomalous and 344 00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:05,190 in a struggle for my my young mind to 345 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:08,100 understand what I saw I went to my 346 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:10,290 elementary school library and they had a 347 00:15:16,190 --> 00:15:13,290 bunch of books on UFOs from Jacques 348 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:16,200 Valley and and I J Alan Hynek and others 349 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:18,750 and so I started to read them you know I 350 00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:20,490 couldn't completely understand them 351 00:15:25,699 --> 00:15:23,519 being that I was only eight but they you 352 00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:25,709 know mass-market paperbacks are written 353 00:15:29,690 --> 00:15:27,180 in such a way that most people can 354 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:29,700 understand them so I used that as an 355 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:34,110 entry point the longer I researched UFOs 356 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:37,410 the older I got the more I was driven 357 00:15:43,220 --> 00:15:40,200 toward the conspiracy end of it because 358 00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:43,230 there's what any apology is you are well 359 00:15:47,870 --> 00:15:46,350 aware there's a lot of conspiracy so 360 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:47,880 from there it kind of branched out 361 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:51,420 okay conspiracy looking at UFO feels 362 00:15:56,030 --> 00:15:53,670 particularly is the conspiracy the 363 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:56,040 alleged decision by governments to 364 00:16:00,500 --> 00:15:58,770 withhold the truth about the subject in 365 00:16:02,930 --> 00:16:00,510 ufology I think there's a lot of 366 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,940 conspiracies and there's there's 367 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:04,560 definitely that one in the whole 368 00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:07,850 disclosure movement I think there's also 369 00:16:13,930 --> 00:16:11,040 you know the the CIA is shown time and 370 00:16:15,860 --> 00:16:13,940 time again that they use UFOs as a cover 371 00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:15,870 protesting you know when they were 372 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:18,000 flying the a12 the predecessor to the 373 00:16:23,329 --> 00:16:22,230 sr-71 they used UFO sightings as covers 374 00:16:26,449 --> 00:16:23,339 for that people would see this 375 00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:26,459 bizarre-looking over things could 376 00:16:32,270 --> 00:16:28,320 streaked across the sky at high speed 377 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:32,280 and it's a UFO was actually in a 12 378 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:36,210 so you know I think that that showing 379 00:16:41,060 --> 00:16:39,120 that behavior you know there's also a 380 00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:41,070 conspiracy to cover up top-secret 381 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:43,320 aircraft by explaining them as UFOs 382 00:16:47,810 --> 00:16:46,110 amongst other things well that raises a 383 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:47,820 question that we've discussed from time 384 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:50,730 to time in the power cast Olaf and that 385 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:53,250 is what portion of the so-called UFO 386 00:16:57,860 --> 00:16:55,890 mystery is itself just a cover-up for 387 00:17:00,650 --> 00:16:57,870 test aircraft and we can go back to 388 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:00,660 Roswell even and whatever else you think 389 00:17:05,449 --> 00:17:02,610 about Roswell and maybe you have your 390 00:17:07,579 --> 00:17:05,459 own opinions one possible theory is not 391 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:07,589 balloons but there was a test aircraft 392 00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:11,270 and they created this host story 393 00:17:18,740 --> 00:17:15,839 revolving around possible flying saucers 394 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:18,750 or a flying saucer crashing to hide that 395 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:22,290 fact you know I think Roswell's the 396 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:24,569 anomaly you know I do believe that some 397 00:17:29,780 --> 00:17:27,089 UFOs are UFOs that they're an alien but 398 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:29,790 you know in the case of Roswell you're 399 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:32,310 talking about the 509 that's the only 400 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:35,070 nuclear equipment bombing squadron in 401 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,070 the world at that time and they were the 402 00:17:42,830 --> 00:17:39,840 creme de la creme of the Army Air Force 403 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:42,840 you know and these guys a lot of them 404 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:46,110 were combat veterans pretty much all of 405 00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:47,520 them knew what an aircraft looked like 406 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,880 and I have trouble believing that Marcel 407 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:52,320 Jesse Marcel when he went out to the 408 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:54,270 field and saw this object crashed in the 409 00:17:59,690 --> 00:17:56,610 ground that he couldn't identify it even 410 00:18:01,970 --> 00:17:59,700 as an exotic aircraft so I think Roswell 411 00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:01,980 may may legitimately have been a crashed 412 00:18:07,010 --> 00:18:05,220 UFO but if it was a crashed exotic 413 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:07,020 aircraft you know it would have been 414 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:08,970 something that was completely alien to 415 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:10,890 him which is possible I mean there 416 00:18:16,670 --> 00:18:13,050 there's some pretty odd aircraft that we 417 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:16,680 fly so that very well could but I think 418 00:18:20,810 --> 00:18:18,270 if one thing has got a shot at being 419 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:20,820 alien it's probably Roswell a lot of 420 00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:22,890 this Chris that brings up a very 421 00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:26,220 interesting you know possibility but it 422 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:29,400 also does not address what some 423 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:32,910 researchers including Joseph Farrell who 424 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:35,520 come up with the idea that Roswell could 425 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:38,330 have possibly been some sort of test of 426 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:42,330 Nazi saucer technology and now Farrell 427 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:43,890 has gone through 428 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:45,750 quite a bit of research as an Oxford 429 00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:47,760 scholar and come up with some real 430 00:18:53,530 --> 00:18:50,340 interesting intriguing documentation 431 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:53,540 that suggests at the u.s. purloined 432 00:18:58,700 --> 00:18:55,770 scientists with paperclip and also 433 00:19:00,890 --> 00:18:58,710 technology and fairly even goes a step 434 00:19:03,140 --> 00:19:00,900 further and and states that this could 435 00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:03,150 have been some sort of Nazi secret 436 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:06,240 project that was being operated by the 437 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:08,730 Germans coming into our airspace and 438 00:19:14,030 --> 00:19:11,010 that alarmed the u.s. to such a degree 439 00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:14,040 that the whole thing was pawned off as 440 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:16,980 some sort of mistaken identity of a 441 00:19:23,180 --> 00:19:20,130 balloon and then in the early days of 442 00:19:24,740 --> 00:19:23,190 Roswell once it you know came back into 443 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:24,750 the mainstream back in the late 70s 444 00:19:30,830 --> 00:19:27,450 early 80s then the whole alien angle 445 00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:30,840 came in where do you come down on the 446 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:35,160 state of Technology in 1947 and you know 447 00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:37,650 this whole idea of Nazi saucer 448 00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:39,780 technology well I've actually written a 449 00:19:45,380 --> 00:19:42,059 lot about it you know I do believe that 450 00:19:48,350 --> 00:19:45,390 the Germans had UFOs what we would 451 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:48,360 perceive to be UFOs you know the how 452 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:50,700 Naboo I don't know about the Vril and 453 00:19:56,539 --> 00:19:53,730 some of shroom burgers for tax based 454 00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:56,549 stuff but definitely know how Naboo 455 00:20:02,090 --> 00:20:00,000 I think you know you look at some of the 456 00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:02,100 the other sightings that have been have 457 00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:05,400 been seen they seem to fit that mode 458 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:08,700 right there was a oh boy what was that 459 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:12,330 one there was one I forget then it's 460 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:13,590 always happens to me when I'm on an 461 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,690 interview right the one it was like in 462 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:17,760 New York upstate New York and it crashed 463 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:20,100 and they fished it out it was a 464 00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:22,049 bell-shaped object it actually looked a 465 00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:24,360 lot like the Bell is supposed to dock 466 00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,160 Lanka I think you're talking about 467 00:20:30,169 --> 00:20:28,080 Pennsylvania and Kecksburg nestling at 468 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:30,179 Kecksburg yes are the Kecksburg UFO you 469 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:32,630 know it's got that kind of bell shape 470 00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,250 the hieroglyphics that people claim to 471 00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:37,440 have been who've seen could very well 472 00:20:42,620 --> 00:20:40,740 have been have been you know runic 473 00:20:45,049 --> 00:20:42,630 because I mean the Germans if there were 474 00:20:47,870 --> 00:20:45,059 nothing else you know the the upper 475 00:20:50,299 --> 00:20:47,880 echelons at least were very a cultish so 476 00:20:51,860 --> 00:20:50,309 writing runes on the side of it to imbue 477 00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:51,870 it with some sort of supernatural power 478 00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:54,059 would is something that that is not 479 00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,100 foreign to the Breschel ons 480 00:21:00,799 --> 00:20:58,320 that you know the Third Reich so I think 481 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:00,809 that that definitely is true you know 482 00:21:05,419 --> 00:21:03,450 and I'll take it a step further were you 483 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:05,429 know guys like Igor Witkowski and and 484 00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:07,410 and Nick cook who got it from me or with 485 00:21:11,659 --> 00:21:09,299 house key and Joseph Ferrell who got it 486 00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:11,669 from Nick cook and Igor Witkowski where 487 00:21:16,669 --> 00:21:14,520 they were the logical end of what 488 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:16,679 they've researched is a breakaway 489 00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:20,220 civilization right that to me when I 490 00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:23,910 when I hear about German technology at 491 00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,100 that time and Henry Stevens wrote an 492 00:21:30,919 --> 00:21:28,799 amazing book on German technology in the 493 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:30,929 late late ends of the War II and a 494 00:21:35,779 --> 00:21:33,690 synthetic blood synthetic fuels you know 495 00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,789 guns that could shoot around corners the 496 00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:37,919 first cruise missile nuclear weapons 497 00:21:43,340 --> 00:21:40,500 that they tested you know I think they 498 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:43,350 had the capability to do it you know I 499 00:21:49,730 --> 00:21:46,530 mean the whole base 211 thing is totally 500 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:49,740 feasible there you know the idea that 501 00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:52,230 the Kammler took all the scientists out 502 00:21:58,220 --> 00:21:55,919 of DC and took them to 211 and somewhere 503 00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:58,230 else is totally legitimate it can it 504 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:00,659 could very well happen you know the the 505 00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:03,750 Junkers 390 aircraft that he supposedly 506 00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:07,919 had six of 95 and one crashed but about 507 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:09,780 six one of the things that people don't 508 00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:12,809 realize is that the the Junkers the 509 00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:15,840 yonkers 390 can actually be mid-air 510 00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:18,360 refueled that the Germans had tested 511 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:21,960 right midair refueling at 390 with a 290 512 00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:24,480 they made a flight to the northern part 513 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:26,700 northern extreme northern latitudes of 514 00:22:31,549 --> 00:22:28,830 Canada to test to see if they could 515 00:22:33,529 --> 00:22:31,559 actually bomb New York and at least they 516 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:33,539 did involve New York but I wouldn't be 517 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:35,580 here now if they did with a heartbreak 518 00:22:40,370 --> 00:22:37,850 now oh love we have Olaf Phillips 519 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easier to use and more informative 610 00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:42,810 than ever before to get your very own 611 00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:26,900 800-501-7737 tire space program all were 612 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:30,630 based on getting some of those German 613 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:33,270 scientists to come aboard now we can 614 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:35,310 talk about a lot of cases a lot more to 615 00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:35,850 cover 616 00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:37,980 Olaf but I just wanted to ask you 617 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:40,860 parenthetically here what is it about 618 00:27:45,050 --> 00:27:42,930 German scientists that they seem to be 619 00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:45,060 ahead of the rest of the world when it 620 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:49,020 came to early space programs rocket 621 00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:51,510 ships things like that you cannot dance 622 00:27:58,670 --> 00:27:55,470 it that does verboten the labor and all 623 00:28:00,290 --> 00:27:58,680 that or elk my liver to forget it you 624 00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:00,300 know I don't really know I mean they 625 00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:02,520 they've always the the Germans have 626 00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:05,700 always had a kind of fixation with the 627 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:08,280 you know physics the Max Planck 628 00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:11,040 Institute is probably the tops top 629 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:12,540 physics 630 00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:14,730 institution in the world I mean they 631 00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:16,950 they led the way and they always have on 632 00:28:23,290 --> 00:28:20,420 those on physics and and rocketry 633 00:28:25,299 --> 00:28:23,300 mathematics for some reason they just 634 00:28:28,299 --> 00:28:25,309 they did 635 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:28,309 I'm probably not qualified to answer 636 00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:30,690 yeah you have you have a good point of 637 00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:33,260 course viktor schauberger in his vortex 638 00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:37,230 there is about vortex behavior one thing 639 00:28:41,899 --> 00:28:39,269 that has always intrigued me is the idea 640 00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:41,909 that the original you know mother lode 641 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,820 case that brought in the modern age of 642 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:46,980 ufology of course Kenneth Arnold in June 643 00:28:53,779 --> 00:28:51,500 of 47 there have been some revisionist 644 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:53,789 conspiracy investigators that have 645 00:28:59,720 --> 00:28:57,450 suggested that he saw a flight of the 646 00:29:01,700 --> 00:28:59,730 Horton brothers who were you know 647 00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:01,710 aircraft designers they had a flying 648 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:04,110 wing that was in development and and 649 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:05,820 some have suggested that what Arnold 650 00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:08,490 actually saw was a formation of horton 651 00:29:15,139 --> 00:29:12,240 flying wings right it's a horton 229 I 652 00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,149 believe yeah I think he probably did and 653 00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,039 one other interesting thing that well 654 00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:20,159 there bunch of interesting things wait a 655 00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:23,580 minute you think Arnold saw terrestrial 656 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:26,070 technology on his flight going by Mount 657 00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,210 Rainier yes okay so so the whole flying 658 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:32,880 saucer flying this thing was predicated 659 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:35,250 on a sighting of conventional technology 660 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,289 he never said it was a flying saucer he 661 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:40,260 described it as he actually said that it 662 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:43,049 looked like it it flew like a saucer 663 00:29:51,139 --> 00:29:47,610 like a but my point is this that that 664 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:51,149 particular cultural meme started pretty 665 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:53,010 much with the Arnold sighting and has 666 00:30:00,019 --> 00:29:56,580 has a tremendous influence even in the 667 00:30:01,879 --> 00:30:00,029 67 plus years later so you're saying 668 00:30:05,779 --> 00:30:01,889 that this whole thing could be 669 00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:05,789 predicated on a misidentified aspect of 670 00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:09,179 our own terrestrial technology yes and 671 00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:11,399 it wouldn't be the first time right well 672 00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:13,950 like I said the the CIA used to cover-up 673 00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:16,289 flights of the a12 the premesis or the 674 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,860 sr-71 by saying that they were UFOs and 675 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:22,380 I'll take it one step further after the 676 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:24,330 Arnold sighting one of the things that 677 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:26,730 grew up in the late 40s and early 50s 678 00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:29,190 was this contactee movement right I 679 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:32,100 would argue to you that many of the 680 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:34,769 individuals that that had these contacts 681 00:30:38,530 --> 00:30:36,530 like Adamski and others 682 00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:38,540 who met with quote/unquote Nordics were 683 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:39,680 meeting with Germans 684 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:41,810 and one of the ways that that I can 685 00:30:46,150 --> 00:30:44,330 demonstrate that to you is that there's 686 00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:46,160 a little-known part of the Betty and 687 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:48,260 Barney Hill story that never gets any 688 00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:50,900 attention at all when they bar uniforms 689 00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:53,000 yeah well not just the uniforms there's 690 00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:55,400 actually something else there is the 691 00:30:59,680 --> 00:30:57,590 uniform so Barney he'll describe the 692 00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,690 uniforms as being very German like that 693 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:02,480 they were black with silver piping and 694 00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:04,340 they wore peaked caps like didn't like 695 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:06,830 the Germans dead but one of the other 696 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:09,770 interesting elements is that during the 697 00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:12,530 abduction that the the hills claimed 698 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:16,790 that they were shepherded around by an 699 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:18,890 individual who they described as being a 700 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:20,810 redheaded Irishman and what's 701 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:23,570 interesting about that is it it's not 702 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:26,090 commonly known but there were factions 703 00:31:30,670 --> 00:31:28,070 of the Irish government during World War 704 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:30,680 two that were very sympathetic to the 705 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:33,260 Germans in fact the IRA the Irish 706 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:35,690 Republican Army who who spent 50 years 707 00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,810 actively fighting the English actually 708 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:41,120 sent people to Germany to be trained by 709 00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:43,970 the Nazis they were equipped by the 710 00:31:50,110 --> 00:31:47,120 Nazis to fight the English and they 711 00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:50,120 actually fronted soldiers this notion 712 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:52,430 the the Irish of the Irish and the 713 00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:55,250 Germans that they they had they actually 714 00:32:00,040 --> 00:31:57,560 fronted soldiers that fought in the 715 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:00,050 Spanish Civil War on the side of the 716 00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:02,930 fascists they had groups of individuals 717 00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,720 that were Irish this fought with the SS 718 00:32:10,990 --> 00:32:08,480 legions term world war two so it's not 719 00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:11,000 insane that there would be a redheaded 720 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:14,180 Irishman on a crew of Germans on a Eton 721 00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:16,970 German UFO well how far do you think the 722 00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,740 Germans advanced and the things that 723 00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:20,240 were doing a German UFO it's not 724 00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:21,590 something that can go into outer space 725 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:24,620 is just something that's an aircraft 726 00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:26,810 shaped like a disc but why wouldn't it 727 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:28,820 be able to go in outer space well we're 728 00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:31,370 talking about the 1940s here yeah but 729 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:33,470 they also detonated a nuclear device in 730 00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,130 the 40s they did yes a head of the 731 00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:38,720 Manhattan Project a head of the 732 00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:40,220 Manhattan Project in fact there's one 733 00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,740 strain of conspiracy theory that it 734 00:32:46,270 --> 00:32:44,480 seems to go down the path of we would 735 00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:46,280 never have been able to generate enough 736 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:48,200 nuclear material to build the bombs that 737 00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:49,210 dropped in ship 738 00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:51,790 so they actually got it from from the 739 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:54,820 Germans they captured it we have a lot 740 00:33:01,020 --> 00:32:57,370 of these stories revolving around Howard 741 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:01,030 Vance and Nazis work but that is true 742 00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:02,710 and they're so advanced how come they 743 00:33:10,170 --> 00:33:06,640 lost the war because they had a mad man 744 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:10,180 who ran their country you know if they 745 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:15,610 if the the I'm not a it's hard the the 746 00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:17,710 German generals right these guys were 747 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:20,320 oppressions you know a lot of them were 748 00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:23,620 Prussian soldiers they grew up in a 749 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:27,340 militaristic family lineage I mean they 750 00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:29,710 were a lot of these guys like Rommel 751 00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:34,030 were born to fight right but the some of 752 00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:35,380 the decisions that were made were 753 00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:38,500 political I also think that you can't 754 00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:40,900 you can't long-term run a country on 755 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:44,190 fear and tyranny which they did which 756 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:46,870 it'll eventually break down and that's 757 00:33:50,670 --> 00:33:48,730 why Rommel on a number of generals 758 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:50,680 high-ranking generals attempted to kill 759 00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:54,850 Hitler right at the Wolf's Lair but no I 760 00:34:01,260 --> 00:33:56,950 mean if they hadn't started a two-front 761 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:01,270 war if if they had not tried to attempt 762 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,910 what Napoleon had failed to do they it 763 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:04,720 would have been a very different 764 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:09,310 conversation able to take Kursk in in a 765 00:34:14,430 --> 00:34:12,010 timely fashion of course getting getting 766 00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:14,440 totally bogged down in Stalingrad the 767 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:16,120 war would have turned out probably 768 00:34:21,090 --> 00:34:18,640 differently if they had reached the oil 769 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,100 regions and the caucuses but one thing 770 00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:23,200 that I think I should point out here is 771 00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:25,750 that by the time that they invaded 772 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:29,350 Poland and you know the in 39 in the war 773 00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:32,730 started they had totally reinvented 774 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:36,580 warfare with the mechanization of tanks 775 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:39,550 and rapid deployment of troops the whole 776 00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:43,690 blitt idea of blitzkrieg so was so far 777 00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:47,080 ahead of conventional World War 1 dig 778 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:50,260 trenches and and slog it out that the 779 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:53,470 reason why some of the R&D projects that 780 00:34:58,410 --> 00:34:56,770 were already under under full steam you 781 00:34:59,970 --> 00:34:58,420 know they were developing rockets they 782 00:35:02,360 --> 00:34:59,980 were developing all sorts of 783 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:02,370 technologies 784 00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:06,480 I think in in my interpretation Hitler 785 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:09,420 you know we had such a big head because 786 00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:11,490 conventional means of obtaining 787 00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:15,420 territory and defeating armies was so 788 00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:17,400 efficient that there was really no need 789 00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:20,460 to emphasize super weapons and by the 790 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:23,190 time the Nazis realized or Hitler 791 00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:25,530 realized at the war it was not going 792 00:35:32,090 --> 00:35:27,990 their way they dumped all sorts of money 793 00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:32,100 resources etc into developing high 794 00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:34,670 technology and getting it operational 795 00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,790 but it was too late one theory about the 796 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:40,020 Battle of the Bulge 797 00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:41,970 for instance which was the last great 798 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:45,270 offensive by by the Nazis at the you 799 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,820 know end of World War two one theory 800 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:49,200 says that they were trying to get into 801 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:51,570 Belgium so that they could have you know 802 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:54,960 a closer you know platform to fire off 803 00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:57,210 v2 rockets which could then reach 804 00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:01,260 possibly New York yeah I mean that makes 805 00:36:07,370 --> 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00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:26,839 week and see where we go all that 931 00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:29,150 Phillips conspiracy theory researcher is 932 00:41:34,180 --> 00:41:32,150 here we're talking about possible Nazi 933 00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:34,190 inventions things that may have really 934 00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,630 exceeded the progress of science but 935 00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:40,160 because of foul-ups 936 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:43,430 in the tactics of world war ii we are 937 00:41:51,009 --> 00:41:47,690 not now under a Nazi flag aren't we 938 00:41:53,799 --> 00:41:51,019 lucky Chris yeah gene I think we are of 939 00:41:57,819 --> 00:41:53,809 course Tracy Torme show sliders had a 940 00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,829 number of episodes where the the heroes 941 00:42:02,759 --> 00:41:59,920 of the show were going into parallel 942 00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:02,769 realities and one of those realities was 943 00:42:09,069 --> 00:42:05,869 the Nazis winning the war which I found 944 00:42:12,609 --> 00:42:09,079 very very intriguing very creative but 945 00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:12,619 no lob you know we've heard from Joseph 946 00:42:19,930 --> 00:42:16,160 Farrell from Henry Stevens I think 947 00:42:22,930 --> 00:42:19,940 Ronaldo was his name of Bonato I forget 948 00:42:26,289 --> 00:42:22,940 his name right and other writers that 949 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:26,299 the Nazis were actually dialing in some 950 00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,170 highly esoteric potential technologies 951 00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:33,200 like the Nazi bell project I think which 952 00:42:38,499 --> 00:42:36,049 was being are indeed in Czechoslovakia 953 00:42:41,499 --> 00:42:38,509 correct me if I'm wrong but where do you 954 00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:41,509 come down on some of the more exotic 955 00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:44,960 theories that involve red mercury you 956 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:48,950 know some sort of any gravity potential 957 00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,329 that sort of thing do we have any 958 00:42:56,799 --> 00:42:53,359 indication in any documentation or proof 959 00:43:00,279 --> 00:42:56,809 that these technologies became 960 00:43:03,339 --> 00:43:00,289 operational or near operational well one 961 00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:03,349 of the pieces of proof that I I've heard 962 00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:08,630 is on another radio show the host was 963 00:43:15,849 --> 00:43:11,900 interviewing a a stealth engineer who 964 00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:15,859 had worked at area 51 legitimate area 51 965 00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:18,440 right not UFOs who worked on like the 966 00:43:24,489 --> 00:43:20,660 stealth fighter and they twelve and 967 00:43:26,589 --> 00:43:24,499 sr-71 and stuff and the host asked him 968 00:43:28,779 --> 00:43:26,599 if he had ever heard of the Bell 969 00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:28,789 I guess it's it's entered that pop 970 00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:32,359 culture meme now and and this guy had 971 00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:33,950 said no I don't know what you're talking 972 00:43:36,729 --> 00:43:34,190 about 973 00:43:40,029 --> 00:43:36,739 and so the host described this object to 974 00:43:42,579 --> 00:43:40,039 him how it looked it's bell-shaped and 975 00:43:45,249 --> 00:43:42,589 you know runs on a weird kind of mercury 976 00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:45,259 fuel and all this and the guy said oh I 977 00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,460 know what you're talking about I think 978 00:43:51,279 --> 00:43:48,079 that all that stuff went to 979 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:51,289 wright-patterson where they tested it 980 00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:53,450 and built it so you know that that was 981 00:43:57,069 --> 00:43:55,460 pretty interesting to me I mean if you 982 00:43:59,739 --> 00:43:57,079 want a lot of proof about the Bell 983 00:44:01,390 --> 00:43:59,749 project and some of the exotic weapon 984 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:01,400 systems that they built you know look if 985 00:44:06,249 --> 00:44:03,410 you look at Henry Stevenson Stevens 986 00:44:09,069 --> 00:44:06,259 books they're fantastic I mean he he's 987 00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:09,079 really dialed it in as far as them 988 00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:12,680 becoming operational I think you know I 989 00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:15,710 go back to the contactee era right you 990 00:44:20,349 --> 00:44:17,420 know when you've got guys like valiant 991 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:20,359 for which him being a Venusian makes no 992 00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:23,210 sense but you've got people like valiant 993 00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:25,339 Thor and Don and and Jill and the rest 994 00:44:29,859 --> 00:44:27,349 of them they're talking to they're going 995 00:44:32,589 --> 00:44:29,869 to the Pentagon and briefing briefing 996 00:44:34,989 --> 00:44:32,599 the Pentagon you know they're they're 997 00:44:37,539 --> 00:44:34,999 flying around a meeting with people if 998 00:44:40,089 --> 00:44:37,549 you look at some of the designs for 999 00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:40,099 those the Venusian Scout ships that 1000 00:44:47,140 --> 00:44:44,420 Adamski had fronted they're very similar 1001 00:44:48,999 --> 00:44:47,150 to the how Naboo you know they they look 1002 00:44:51,729 --> 00:44:49,009 like a how Naboo I mean it even has the 1003 00:44:53,499 --> 00:44:51,739 domes on the bottom and everything that 1004 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:53,509 that is kind of quintessential to the 1005 00:44:58,089 --> 00:44:55,729 how Naboo design so that would seem to 1006 00:45:01,089 --> 00:44:58,099 indicate to me that you know assuming 1007 00:45:03,549 --> 00:45:01,099 that the Desmond Leslie and Georgia Gant 1008 00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:03,559 Adamski and howard bender and they 1009 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:05,089 really did see this stuff and I think 1010 00:45:09,779 --> 00:45:08,210 there's a chance they did you know I beg 1011 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:09,789 to differ with you on that I mean 1012 00:45:15,549 --> 00:45:12,890 Adamski actually showed ray Stanford and 1013 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:15,559 his twin brother Rex how he was able to 1014 00:45:22,029 --> 00:45:18,249 create some of his most celebrated 1015 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:22,039 photographs manner of which are 1016 00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:26,450 as to events and true you know 1017 00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:29,779 vehicles today basically I think it was 1018 00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:32,440 the end cap for a Polish 1019 00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:35,630 vacuum cleaner was the famous one and it 1020 00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,880 had three ping-pong balls underneath and 1021 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:39,920 if you look carefully you can see where 1022 00:45:45,759 --> 00:45:42,170 the glue spilled out from one of them I 1023 00:45:48,579 --> 00:45:45,769 don't look at a damn ski and and 1024 00:45:51,299 --> 00:45:48,589 Williamson and Daniel Frye and George 1025 00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:51,309 Van Tassel and others from that era as 1026 00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:54,680 having complete legitimate experiences 1027 00:45:58,750 --> 00:45:56,990 either new initial e they did but but 1028 00:46:02,289 --> 00:45:58,760 later on I don't think they did oh I 1029 00:46:04,359 --> 00:46:02,299 absolutely agree with you 100% but it 1030 00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:04,369 came from somewhere and I think what I 1031 00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,260 was about to say was that I think that 1032 00:46:10,180 --> 00:46:08,480 they may have had an experience in the 1033 00:46:12,609 --> 00:46:10,190 beginning and then especially with the 1034 00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:12,619 damn ski he embellished it I mean and 1035 00:46:17,319 --> 00:46:15,260 massively embellished it in book after 1036 00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:17,329 book after book after book after book of 1037 00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,940 embellishment but I think they that 1038 00:46:26,109 --> 00:46:22,400 somewhere in there he did experience 1039 00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,119 something and the descriptions of what 1040 00:46:33,579 --> 00:46:28,640 he perpetuated going forward they do 1041 00:46:36,789 --> 00:46:33,589 have an uncanny description of a how 1042 00:46:38,799 --> 00:46:36,799 Naboo now I would again agree with you a 1043 00:46:40,569 --> 00:46:38,809 hundred percent that I don't think that 1044 00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:40,579 he had all the meetings that he says he 1045 00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:43,670 did it's impossible I mean they he 1046 00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:45,710 admitted he admitted as she said that he 1047 00:46:52,779 --> 00:46:48,700 faked a number of the photos but 1048 00:46:54,970 --> 00:46:52,789 somewhere he saw something and and I 1049 00:46:57,309 --> 00:46:54,980 think that that he just he took it too 1050 00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,319 far after that he didn't stop and that 1051 00:47:02,920 --> 00:46:59,119 happens over and over and over and over 1052 00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,930 again and ethology right yes some names 1053 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:05,119 let me throw something out in here of 1054 00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,569 course I don't know if you ever read the 1055 00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:10,640 Adamski expose issue from Jim Mosley 1056 00:47:15,549 --> 00:47:13,430 saucer news we have it posted at Jim 1057 00:47:18,549 --> 00:47:15,559 Mosely dot-com which is a memorial site 1058 00:47:22,029 --> 00:47:18,559 that Kurt Collins is running that I 1059 00:47:25,059 --> 00:47:22,039 established for the works of Jim Mosely 1060 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:25,069 this goes back to like 1957 and he 1061 00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:28,250 quoted Adamski as saying 1 sometimes you 1062 00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,060 have to go through the back door 1063 00:47:37,620 --> 00:47:34,240 to present the truth but it's also truth 1064 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:37,630 several years before flying saucers have 1065 00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:42,040 landed appeared his first book he had a 1066 00:47:46,830 --> 00:47:44,230 story where he met some kind of Higher 1067 00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:46,840 Being that he at that time labelled 1068 00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:49,720 Jesus Christ giving the same messages of 1069 00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:53,680 peace and brotherhood oh Jesus 1070 00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,840 so we only heard this from Ray Palmer 1071 00:48:00,300 --> 00:47:58,480 who said he saw a copy of it in the 1072 00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:00,310 early days the point being here of 1073 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:02,920 course is that Adamski use the popular 1074 00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:06,610 meme of the 1950s flying saucers and had 1075 00:48:12,090 --> 00:48:09,700 his being come here in a flying saucer 1076 00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:12,100 it had nothing to do with maybe seeing a 1077 00:48:16,070 --> 00:48:14,200 test aircraft or anything like that just 1078 00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:16,080 to present that possibility 1079 00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:19,780 olav who is handling a damn ski who who 1080 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:21,790 put him up to all this do you think it's 1081 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:24,970 just a coincidence that the contactee 1082 00:48:30,450 --> 00:48:27,970 movement you know arose in our culture 1083 00:48:33,150 --> 00:48:30,460 and had a profound impact impact that 1084 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,160 even lasts till today do you think that 1085 00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:34,960 there was some sort of conspiracy behind 1086 00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:36,550 that do you think that there was an 1087 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:41,040 organized attempt to mislead the public 1088 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:43,930 through these contact d-- figures well 1089 00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:47,110 there there has been in the past right 1090 00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:50,350 then there has been infiltration and and 1091 00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:53,350 what it a lot of times you know in the 1092 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:55,480 you follow G movement one of the reasons 1093 00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,370 that I started to get out of the ufology 1094 00:49:00,900 --> 00:48:59,680 movement is that everybody points that 1095 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,910 everybody else and goes you're a 1096 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:03,760 disinformation agent right and and you 1097 00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:05,260 know you go to a conference and they say 1098 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:07,270 there are three guys in suits back there 1099 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:10,210 they're they're part of the CIA right 1100 00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:14,890 but I think I think that there was some 1101 00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:19,840 level of penetration into these 1102 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:23,080 organizations and and disinformation was 1103 00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:25,240 fed through them at some level to 1104 00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:27,700 cover-up test aircraft and even without 1105 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:30,550 the Germans you know Avro tried to test 1106 00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:33,730 it I think Boeing tried to build a 1107 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:39,550 disc-shaped aircraft so there they were 1108 00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:42,310 all spectacular failures yes so that 1109 00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:43,220 that that 1110 00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:47,900 further mystifies the sightings and and 1111 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:49,849 makes people jump off planning basically 1112 00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:53,090 yeah but I you know if you look at when 1113 00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:55,550 they first a lot of those test failures 1114 00:50:00,099 --> 00:49:58,220 were you know in the 50s and in the 60s 1115 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:00,109 and I think if you look at the first 1116 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:02,810 Rockets that the Von Braun built here's 1117 00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:05,930 the the German expert on rocketry when 1118 00:50:09,490 --> 00:50:07,849 he when von Braun first started building 1119 00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:09,500 rockets for NASA they were spectacular 1120 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:12,320 failures as well I mean there's an 1121 00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:14,810 interesting thing in paperclip that like 1122 00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:16,820 the Russians when they they had their 1123 00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:18,859 own version of paperclip but a lot of 1124 00:50:23,470 --> 00:50:20,750 the guys that they got who worked under 1125 00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:23,480 Korolev war technicians and they had 1126 00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:26,680 they had anything much better success 1127 00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:29,510 initially than we did and what we got 1128 00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:32,060 were scientists right so the people that 1129 00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:35,900 Korolev had were operational so you know 1130 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:37,880 that's why you see these these Rockets 1131 00:50:41,470 --> 00:50:39,890 that come out of Russia and they launch 1132 00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:41,480 them again again and again I may never 1133 00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:43,640 have these failures but for us you know 1134 00:50:49,329 --> 00:50:47,599 we build these over exotic aircraft and 1135 00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:49,339 they tend to fail after a while right 1136 00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,740 well let me ask you though here we talk 1137 00:50:55,870 --> 00:50:53,359 about failure after failure with 1138 00:50:58,300 --> 00:50:55,880 American Rockets is it also possible 1139 00:50:59,920 --> 00:50:58,310 that the Russians had failures too it's 1140 00:51:01,950 --> 00:50:59,930 just that they withheld the information 1141 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:01,960 from the public they weren't quite as 1142 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:04,970 forthcoming as we were then and I want 1143 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:06,290 to just kind of stop it here because 1144 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:07,490 we're gonna have to do a break and I 1145 00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:10,010 want to ask you more about whether some 1146 00:51:16,109 --> 00:51:12,830 contact claims were really generated by 1147 00:51:18,849 --> 00:51:16,119 some kind of military disinformation and 1148 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:18,859 a bunch of other subjects that we'll get 1149 00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:21,880 into our guests is Olaf 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that's one eight hundred two five 1205 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:42,550 six seven seven nine five call now call 1206 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:45,410 1-800 - five six seven seven nine five 1207 00:53:56,310 --> 00:53:47,570 that's one eight hundred two five six 1208 00:54:04,350 --> 00:54:00,040 welcome back to the para cast the gold 1209 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:04,360 standard of paranormal radio and now 1210 00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:12,890 here's Jane Steinberg we have that 1211 00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,780 conspiratorial voice from Chris O'Brien 1212 00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:16,880 so we know where we're gonna go but I 1213 00:54:21,460 --> 00:54:19,550 want to just go back to one other thing 1214 00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:21,470 and I know we're hitting back and forth 1215 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:23,500 about this subject and that is 1216 00:54:30,550 --> 00:54:27,010 mentioning Barney and Betty hill and 1217 00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:30,560 possible indications there this was a 1218 00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:32,660 sighting of either of some kind test 1219 00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:35,240 aircraft or maybe an attempt at mind 1220 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:39,590 control which was popular in the 70s 1221 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:41,810 especially and the thing that always 1222 00:54:45,970 --> 00:54:43,730 struck me about Barney and Betty Hill is 1223 00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:45,980 of course the fact that the best friends 1224 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:49,420 were at the nearby military base for one 1225 00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:52,130 wouldn't they be ideal candidates or 1226 00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,710 have been ideal candidates for some kind 1227 00:54:59,800 --> 00:54:57,200 of experiment to test the reaction of 1228 00:55:01,810 --> 00:54:59,810 Earthlings to the possible visitation by 1229 00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:01,820 aliens what do you think Olaf you know 1230 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:04,940 it's possible I mean as we've discovered 1231 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:07,250 just in having a conversation now right 1232 00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:09,650 the conspiracy theories can go all over 1233 00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,980 the place you know many many times when 1234 00:55:17,950 --> 00:55:15,200 you have a conspiracy theory there's 1235 00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:17,960 there are several angles you know on one 1236 00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,060 hand there's good evidence of something 1237 00:55:24,430 --> 00:55:21,680 but on the other hand there's bad 1238 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:24,440 evidence and you know one element of it 1239 00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:26,330 of a person could be credible and 1240 00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:28,310 another element could be just you know 1241 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:31,190 you could discredit them it's possible I 1242 00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:33,890 think that they obviously had some sort 1243 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:36,260 of block put in there after it happened 1244 00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,330 I don't know whether it was us or the 1245 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:40,880 the people that that they actually met 1246 00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:44,710 with that they put that Block in a place 1247 00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,960 but it's obvious when you listen to the 1248 00:55:52,420 --> 00:55:49,760 when you listen to the hypnotic 1249 00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:52,430 regressions that there's a lot of fear 1250 00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,790 and they're having problems reconciling 1251 00:56:01,120 --> 00:55:58,400 it you know something some sort of 1252 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:01,130 hypnotic suggestion was put in there but 1253 00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:02,930 I can't tell you whether we did it or 1254 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:04,670 they did it I mean I will say that there 1255 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:06,090 there has been evidence 1256 00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:08,850 over time of the mill lab scenario where 1257 00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:11,220 people are picked up and there they 1258 00:56:16,070 --> 00:56:13,560 believe they've been abducted and later 1259 00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:16,080 through hypnotic regression which is 1260 00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,180 good and bad you know it can definitely 1261 00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:20,160 be steered and you do see some of that 1262 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:22,260 in the the Betty and Barney Hill story 1263 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:25,530 that there was some steering involved it 1264 00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:28,050 changes the dynamic I mean it makes 1265 00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:30,750 sense you know III think that that it 1266 00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:33,240 could have happened it's it could have 1267 00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:34,470 happened later as well 1268 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:38,220 like with mill lab but I don't know that 1269 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:40,410 we know enough about the Betty and 1270 00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:42,810 Barney Hill scenario completely and 1271 00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:44,430 utterly to be able to make that kind of 1272 00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:45,030 judgment 1273 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:46,830 the problem with conspiracy theory right 1274 00:56:50,810 --> 00:56:48,450 is that it's like following bread crumbs 1275 00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:50,820 that you you find this trail of 1276 00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:52,980 breadcrumbs but the but you know some of 1277 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:54,300 the birds have gotten at the bread cops 1278 00:56:59,480 --> 00:56:57,330 and and so there there are holes in the 1279 00:57:03,170 --> 00:56:59,490 mo and the kind of trail and you have to 1280 00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:03,180 kind of bridge those holes somehow right 1281 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:05,640 and so you're lefty a lot of times 1282 00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:07,140 you're left with these tantalizing 1283 00:57:13,210 --> 00:57:10,140 mysteries for example there was a I want 1284 00:57:16,940 --> 00:57:13,220 to say it was in 1970 that likes it was 1285 00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:16,950 Sega saga put out a I forget who wrote 1286 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:19,350 it but they put out a like an article 1287 00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:21,210 and what this person had done is they 1288 00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:23,910 had taken the iconography suppose that 1289 00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:26,750 iconography off of UFOs and and 1290 00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:28,710 presented it and said okay well these 1291 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:31,590 are symbols that are seen on UFOs and I 1292 00:57:35,330 --> 00:57:33,210 wrote an article about this and when you 1293 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:35,340 look at the iconography it was taken off 1294 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:38,130 the UFOs right that there's you know in 1295 00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,170 one case there's like a red star and 1296 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:42,480 then it says you know it has a bunch of 1297 00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:44,610 numbers and there's and it's just like 1298 00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:46,440 UN and that has a bunch of numbers and 1299 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:49,110 then you know there's another one where 1300 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:52,050 it's a it's a series of Chevron's and if 1301 00:57:56,660 --> 00:57:54,090 you look at the iconography right any 1302 00:58:00,350 --> 00:57:56,670 compare it to actual symbols that you 1303 00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:00,360 see like there's a symbol that is almost 1304 00:58:04,820 --> 00:58:02,310 a complete match for the Union of 1305 00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:04,830 fascists British fascists right there 1306 00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,260 which was a Nazi organization in Britain 1307 00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,960 in the 30s in the 40s or the Chevron's 1308 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:12,240 matched fairly closely the kind of 1309 00:58:16,340 --> 00:58:13,500 symbol it was put on the side of 1310 00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,350 Luftwaffe aircraft or you know if you 1311 00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:18,960 think about it logically why would a UFO 1312 00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:19,619 have 1313 00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:25,680 English letters and numbers printed on 1314 00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:28,950 the side of it especially that's a un it 1315 00:58:34,099 --> 00:58:30,839 doesn't make a lot of sense but what you 1316 00:58:36,380 --> 00:58:34,109 get is you've got a UFO sighting the 1317 00:58:38,839 --> 00:58:36,390 person says okay well I saw this symbol 1318 00:58:41,809 --> 00:58:38,849 and then it's like well what does that 1319 00:58:43,999 --> 00:58:41,819 symbol mean right is it a alien symbols 1320 00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,009 and a human symbol so you've got to make 1321 00:58:48,140 --> 00:58:45,599 some assumptions and I think that's 1322 00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,150 ultimately the downfall of conspiracy 1323 00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:50,640 theory I mean you can even see it in the 1324 00:58:55,579 --> 00:58:53,880 JFK thing right that you know was was he 1325 00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,589 howard hunt one of the tramps or not 1326 00:59:00,400 --> 00:58:58,319 well it kind of looks like him but it 1327 00:59:03,709 --> 00:59:00,410 kind of doesn't right over fredchristman 1328 00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:03,719 we're going back to your symbols idea 1329 00:59:10,819 --> 00:59:07,799 the whole lumo event socorro is a 1330 00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:10,829 classic example of a symbol that was 1331 00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:12,660 from the very GetGo 1332 00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:15,839 was altered so that people reporting 1333 00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:17,819 that symbol would be factored out of any 1334 00:59:22,759 --> 00:59:19,859 sighting report investigations by the 1335 00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:22,769 air force ray stanford you know has 1336 00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,619 recently raised that for being the one 1337 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:28,440 of the primary initial private 1338 00:59:31,579 --> 00:59:29,910 investigators on the case along with 1339 00:59:34,999 --> 00:59:31,589 high annek in the Air Force in the Army 1340 00:59:38,380 --> 00:59:35,009 you know with slam-dunked the whole idea 1341 00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:38,390 of there being intentional subterfuge 1342 00:59:44,749 --> 00:59:42,150 behind the Socorro symbol there was it 1343 00:59:47,329 --> 00:59:44,759 was done at the behest of government 1344 00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:47,339 investigators but I want to get back 1345 00:59:51,319 --> 00:59:49,859 before we get too far afield here I want 1346 00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:51,329 to get back to the whole idea of the 1347 00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,569 Soviets and their capabilities right at 1348 00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:57,119 the end of World War two where do you 1349 01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:58,890 come down on the whole ghost rockets 1350 01:00:04,209 --> 01:00:01,559 phenomenon that was what over 200 1351 01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:04,219 sightings of what appeared to be 1352 01:00:13,099 --> 01:00:10,079 something akin to a v3 possibly a v4 of 1353 01:00:15,859 --> 01:00:13,109 course the v1 was the the infamous buzz 1354 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:15,869 bomb v2 was the the large rockets that 1355 01:00:22,009 --> 01:00:18,809 hit London but we have a whole series of 1356 01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:22,019 sightings over Scandinavia that seemed 1357 01:00:27,469 --> 01:00:24,359 to be originating from the Soviet Union 1358 01:00:31,099 --> 01:00:27,479 I still have not seen slam dunk evidence 1359 01:00:33,319 --> 01:00:31,109 - you know properly ascertain what these 1360 01:00:36,949 --> 01:00:33,329 objects were who was firing them 1361 01:00:39,099 --> 01:00:36,959 from where you said the Soviets had 1362 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:39,109 their own sort of Operation Paperclip 1363 01:00:44,479 --> 01:00:42,569 underway where do you come down on you 1364 01:00:46,969 --> 01:00:44,489 know the ghost Rockets number one and 1365 01:00:50,989 --> 01:00:46,979 number two the foof these whole Foo 1366 01:00:53,449 --> 01:00:50,999 Fighter orbs that were seen by by pilots 1367 01:00:55,339 --> 01:00:53,459 during the war well with the ghost 1368 01:00:57,769 --> 01:00:55,349 rockets you know they they did 1369 01:01:00,799 --> 01:00:57,779 apparently emanate from Russia they flew 1370 01:01:02,839 --> 01:01:00,809 over Sweden and Norway a lot I think 1371 01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:02,849 they could have been tests it would make 1372 01:01:08,479 --> 01:01:05,609 sense that they didn't they didn't want 1373 01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,489 to fire him in a mail / mainland Europe 1374 01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:10,799 right because they were highly sensitive 1375 01:01:16,099 --> 01:01:13,799 and Sweden is you know a fairly neutral 1376 01:01:19,130 --> 01:01:16,109 nation Norway had fallen on the side of 1377 01:01:21,529 --> 01:01:19,140 the Germans through occupation so it was 1378 01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:21,539 probably a safer trajectory to fire them 1379 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:24,119 you know it would appear that the the 1380 01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:26,930 Soviets were testing their you know 1381 01:01:32,209 --> 01:01:30,329 rockets that they had found or that they 1382 01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:32,219 head back engineered which would make 1383 01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:33,900 sense I mean there's a famous story of 1384 01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:36,839 it I want to say it was like a b-29 that 1385 01:01:42,529 --> 01:01:39,660 had crashed in Russia and they back 1386 01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:42,539 engineered it and they had some amazing 1387 01:01:46,699 --> 01:01:44,430 technicians of back engineered this 1388 01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:46,709 thing and there was a there was like a 1389 01:01:52,999 --> 01:01:49,849 rivet that had sheared off in flight 1390 01:01:55,489 --> 01:01:53,009 accidentally and when they when they 1391 01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:55,499 rebuilt the b-29 they shared the rivet 1392 01:02:02,799 --> 01:01:57,390 and just to make sure that it was a 1393 01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:02,809 one-to-one match for exactly you know 1394 01:02:07,729 --> 01:02:06,089 well you know there you're saying you're 1395 01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:07,739 saying that yeah these were tests well 1396 01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:09,630 why didn't they just fire him back into 1397 01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:12,150 Russia so nobody would see they fired 1398 01:02:16,279 --> 01:02:14,910 them into said it sends a message right 1399 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:16,289 because the thing that we're always 1400 01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:18,930 missing is conspiracy researchers or 1401 01:02:22,969 --> 01:02:20,369 people who are interested in 1402 01:02:25,729 --> 01:02:22,979 conspiracies is we're always missing the 1403 01:02:28,189 --> 01:02:25,739 back story right we see the evidence of 1404 01:02:30,439 --> 01:02:28,199 what happens but we were always missing 1405 01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,449 the why and will we're left to try to 1406 01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,640 figure out what the why is that's why 1407 01:02:36,499 --> 01:02:34,680 there's so much controversy right what 1408 01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:36,509 would make sense to me is that if they 1409 01:02:41,299 --> 01:02:39,209 if the Allies knew because the the 1410 01:02:42,850 --> 01:02:41,309 relationship with the Soviets broke down 1411 01:02:46,330 --> 01:02:42,860 very fast 1412 01:02:47,950 --> 01:02:46,340 and if the Allies knew that the Soviets 1413 01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:47,960 were firing these things I mean you're 1414 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:50,360 you're talking about a kind of early 1415 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:51,890 implementation of mutually assured 1416 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:54,170 destruction right they're saying okay 1417 01:02:58,990 --> 01:02:56,330 don't mess with me I have these weapons 1418 01:03:00,970 --> 01:02:59,000 right the same way that we would do 1419 01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,980 things that are similar right we would 1420 01:03:05,170 --> 01:03:03,200 detonate things and fire things and 1421 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:05,180 point things at each other to make sure 1422 01:03:09,580 --> 01:03:06,890 that they recognize don't mess with us 1423 01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:09,590 we'll see 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going to become the plasma cast with 1534 01:08:20,059 --> 01:08:17,759 Jean and Chris a life Phillips joining 1535 01:08:22,099 --> 01:08:20,069 us all have suggesting that the Foo 1536 01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:22,109 Fighters were just conventional thingies 1537 01:08:26,419 --> 01:08:24,420 so all the things that were seen during 1538 01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:26,429 World War two were they all test 1539 01:08:33,169 --> 01:08:29,460 aircraft or experiments of some kind did 1540 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:33,179 any real UFOs get in there somehow well 1541 01:08:38,419 --> 01:08:35,130 you know I'm over time I've always kind 1542 01:08:40,129 --> 01:08:38,429 of leaned on the idea of what heineken 1543 01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:40,139 Valley and a lot of the other guys have 1544 01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:42,420 said where it's you know roughly ten to 1545 01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:44,310 fifteen percent of them are anomalous I 1546 01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:46,980 mean I you know what I saw when I was 1547 01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,080 eight was completely anomalous I can't 1548 01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:51,719 explain to you what I saw you know I saw 1549 01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:53,699 another UFO when I was about fourteen 1550 01:08:57,890 --> 01:08:55,799 that looked like the lazar Sportster 1551 01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:57,900 model you know I don't know if that was 1552 01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:00,600 a that was alien or if it was a human 1553 01:09:06,019 --> 01:09:04,049 crew I saw it and then the last real UFO 1554 01:09:09,649 --> 01:09:06,029 that I know for sure was a UFO I saw 1555 01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:09,659 when I was in my early 20s and it did 1556 01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:11,489 things that I've never seen an aircraft 1557 01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:13,710 do but I can't tell you who was piloting 1558 01:09:19,610 --> 01:09:17,040 them things that you never saw an 1559 01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:19,620 aircraft do like for example make 1560 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:21,750 90-degree turns at Heist 1561 01:09:25,939 --> 01:09:24,089 they were triangular in shape and they 1562 01:09:28,609 --> 01:09:25,949 were flying between two radio masts that 1563 01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,619 were probably 10 to 15 miles apart maybe 1564 01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:30,960 20 miles apart and they would fly to one 1565 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:33,239 and then kind of flip over and fly back 1566 01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:35,130 and flip over and fly forward and flip 1567 01:09:38,379 --> 01:09:37,319 over and fly back and flip over you know 1568 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:38,389 that would have been very uncomfortable 1569 01:09:42,649 --> 01:09:40,770 you know to be upside down for part of 1570 01:09:46,579 --> 01:09:42,659 the flight come back and go upside down 1571 01:09:49,249 --> 01:09:46,589 come back so it's odd it's very odd to 1572 01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:49,259 see well some pilots I think like that 1573 01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:51,750 crazy kind of maneuvering don't think 1574 01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:53,400 well I'm sure I'm sure it makes it uh 1575 01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,460 turley fascinating but for me to see an 1576 01:10:01,040 --> 01:09:58,800 aircraft do a 90 degree turn that's not 1577 01:10:02,060 --> 01:10:01,050 something that's very common because you 1578 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:02,070 know it aircraft 1579 01:10:06,589 --> 01:10:04,170 conventional aircraft aren't designed of 1580 01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:06,599 to make you know high speed 90-degree 1581 01:10:10,220 --> 01:10:08,040 turns they can't do it 1582 01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,230 it's impossible yeah they have to make 1583 01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,780 an arc you know I mean that's the 1584 01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:14,400 problem here right the fundamental 1585 01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,790 problem is that in my mind you know I 1586 01:10:21,649 --> 01:10:19,679 I've done I've done a fair amount of 1587 01:10:23,959 --> 01:10:21,659 research and I have a kind of worldview 1588 01:10:25,939 --> 01:10:23,969 that that I've come up with you know of 1589 01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:25,949 what all this is and how it all fits 1590 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:29,369 together right but ultimately you know 1591 01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:31,650 when we see an exotic aircraft in the 1592 01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:33,719 sky whether it's alien or human we'll 1593 01:10:39,109 --> 01:10:36,150 probably never know the best we can do 1594 01:10:42,379 --> 01:10:39,119 is guess if you take a larger worldview 1595 01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:42,389 it starts to to adjust your perception 1596 01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:44,460 of what you're seeing because there's a 1597 01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:47,790 larger game plan at work right so you 1598 01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:50,880 know to me a lot of what informs my my 1599 01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:53,489 decision-making process is where it's 1600 01:10:58,609 --> 01:10:56,070 seen and then what context right because 1601 01:11:01,040 --> 01:10:58,619 it makes sense that if aliens exist and 1602 01:11:02,919 --> 01:11:01,050 they found out that we're here that they 1603 01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:02,929 would come here and they would watch us 1604 01:11:08,569 --> 01:11:05,760 you know when I was in college I studied 1605 01:11:09,709 --> 01:11:08,579 anthropology and that there are 1606 01:11:11,959 --> 01:11:09,719 different schools of thought about 1607 01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:11,969 anthropology but the school of thought 1608 01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:14,489 that I I seem to have been educated in 1609 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:16,500 and bought into was the observational 1610 01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:19,770 method that we we was far back from the 1611 01:11:24,799 --> 01:11:22,800 culture and in order to not taint it we 1612 01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:24,809 would you know we'd sit back way back 1613 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:27,000 and use binoculars and you know 1614 01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,010 telephoto lenses to watch them interact 1615 01:11:33,649 --> 01:11:30,960 and you know and to see what they were 1616 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:33,659 doing there's a more participatory model 1617 01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:34,770 but that was never the 1618 01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:37,680 that I kind of gravitated towards but if 1619 01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:40,230 you take that kind of kind of idea then 1620 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:42,510 a lot of the things that you see there 1621 01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:44,730 anomalous you know from cattle 1622 01:11:47,630 --> 01:11:46,680 mutilations to human abductions and 1623 01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:47,640 everything in between 1624 01:11:53,090 --> 01:11:50,070 starts to make sense at least to me that 1625 01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:53,100 you know you're seeing your testing 1626 01:11:57,940 --> 01:11:55,500 humans in your testing cattle to see 1627 01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:57,950 genetic drift and to see what 1628 01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:00,960 environmental damage has done to them 1629 01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:03,300 over time and you know it's kind of like 1630 01:12:07,790 --> 01:12:05,940 mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom with with 1631 01:12:09,230 --> 01:12:07,800 Marlon Perkins up in the helicopter of 1632 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:09,240 the tranquilizer rifle you know he's 1633 01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:11,370 gonna he's gonna down that elk and he's 1634 01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:12,870 gonna go down there and then they're 1635 01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:15,510 gonna measure it and weigh it and poke 1636 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:17,820 it and prod it you know so that makes 1637 01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,810 sense but that's one context but in a 1638 01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,000 second context some of these UFOs that 1639 01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:25,920 people see they have definite flight 1640 01:12:30,170 --> 01:12:28,470 patterns there there's one in particular 1641 01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:30,180 that was very interesting it was a very 1642 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:32,790 bizarrely shaped aircraft I'll just say 1643 01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:36,450 aircraft generically and it was cited by 1644 01:12:43,130 --> 01:12:40,110 at least four people three of whom I 1645 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:43,140 know right and one person who just you 1646 01:12:48,620 --> 01:12:45,330 know said hey I had a sighting and the 1647 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:48,630 trajectory of the aircraft flew north to 1648 01:12:54,260 --> 01:12:51,450 south from somewhere in the North I 1649 01:12:57,260 --> 01:12:54,270 could never determine where but you know 1650 01:13:00,320 --> 01:12:57,270 flew the length of the west coast and 1651 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:00,330 started to descend an altitude around la 1652 01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:03,090 right and around Edwards Air Force Base 1653 01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:05,100 well that doesn't seem to me to be very 1654 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:08,520 UFO II right that they're gonna fly you 1655 01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:09,810 know down the coast they're gonna 1656 01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:12,660 descend and make turns out by Edwards 1657 01:13:17,770 --> 01:13:15,600 that sounds like an aircraft to me so a 1658 01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:17,780 lot of times the context of how the 1659 01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,060 where it's going and how its seen it 1660 01:13:25,670 --> 01:13:23,280 plays a huge role in in the 1661 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:25,680 identification of it right because the 1662 01:13:30,650 --> 01:13:27,810 best you can do is guess you have to use 1663 01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:30,660 all the information you have well the 1664 01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:32,790 best I can do is guess when you bring up 1665 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:34,920 the subject of cattle mutilations 1666 01:13:40,820 --> 01:13:37,290 although I am sitting on quite a 1667 01:13:42,770 --> 01:13:40,830 database that I'm losing my hair pulling 1668 01:13:45,260 --> 01:13:42,780 it out and scratching my head trying to 1669 01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,270 figure it out but you mentioned cattle 1670 01:13:48,530 --> 01:13:47,760 mutilations and let's digress for a 1671 01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:48,540 moment 1672 01:13:54,620 --> 01:13:52,110 and addressed this particular mystery if 1673 01:13:57,250 --> 01:13:54,630 it is a mystery where do you come down 1674 01:14:00,020 --> 01:13:57,260 on the whole cattle mutilation theory 1675 01:14:02,180 --> 01:14:00,030 that it's by aliens or it's the 1676 01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:02,190 government doing environmental testing 1677 01:14:09,050 --> 01:14:05,489 or the skeptics say it's all just the 1678 01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:09,060 work of scavengers and predators where 1679 01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:11,670 do you come down well like many things I 1680 01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:13,500 think it could be either I could I think 1681 01:14:18,740 --> 01:14:16,140 it could be either aliens or or the 1682 01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:18,750 government I mean both makes sense right 1683 01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:20,700 although I would argue that if it's the 1684 01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:22,620 government you know they have their own 1685 01:14:27,020 --> 01:14:25,080 hurts I mean there are large herds of 1686 01:14:30,380 --> 01:14:27,030 cows and other animals that are owned by 1687 01:14:33,620 --> 01:14:30,390 the government in test facilities you 1688 01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:33,630 know they're free-range on BLM land but 1689 01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:34,830 they're owned by the government they 1690 01:14:39,650 --> 01:14:36,750 used it for a variety of reasons I mean 1691 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:39,660 the school that I went to originally 1692 01:14:45,020 --> 01:14:42,330 started out as an Ag school so they they 1693 01:14:47,390 --> 01:14:45,030 had a government government-funded lab 1694 01:14:49,220 --> 01:14:47,400 on site they had a herd of cattle and 1695 01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,230 they would bring the cattle in and you 1696 01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:51,360 know take measurements and poke him and 1697 01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:53,790 prod him and do all those things so from 1698 01:14:58,670 --> 01:14:56,280 that point of view you know I think it's 1699 01:15:01,520 --> 01:14:58,680 probably more likely given the dynamics 1700 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:01,530 of the cattle mutilation that they at 1701 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:03,690 least some of them could potentially be 1702 01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:06,330 alien but at the same time you know you 1703 01:15:12,260 --> 01:15:09,540 look back at some of the research back 1704 01:15:14,540 --> 01:15:12,270 in the 70s and even earlier with cattle 1705 01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:14,550 mutilations you know they were fight and 1706 01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:17,190 finding phosphorescent dust that had 1707 01:15:21,710 --> 01:15:19,080 been scattered on the cows to tag them 1708 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:21,720 and you could run back well that was one 1709 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:24,650 case sure but why would an alien put 1710 01:15:29,060 --> 01:15:27,210 phosphorescent powder onto a cow that 1711 01:15:30,860 --> 01:15:29,070 doesn't make any sense it would what 1712 01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:30,870 also doesn't make any sense that the 1713 01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,150 government before I go further I believe 1714 01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:37,920 me when I tell you this the government 1715 01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:41,160 does have its own herds they do all 1716 01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:43,260 sorts of nefarious experiments on them 1717 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:46,080 for whatever reason but because of the 1718 01:15:51,170 --> 01:15:49,050 pervasiveness around the world and 1719 01:15:52,820 --> 01:15:51,180 across the environment of this 1720 01:15:54,110 --> 01:15:52,830 particular mystery wouldn't you think 1721 01:15:56,510 --> 01:15:54,120 that there's something about the 1722 01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:56,520 environment that is more important than 1723 01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:59,280 the actual animals yes you know people 1724 01:16:02,430 --> 01:16:01,080 say well Chris it's it's aliens 1725 01:16:05,310 --> 01:16:02,440 gathering genetic 1726 01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:05,320 toriel and my stock answer is well why 1727 01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:07,090 not pick the lock on a on a 1728 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:08,710 slaughterhouse and you can get all the 1729 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:10,330 genetic material you need obviously 1730 01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,489 there something is monitoring the 1731 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:14,800 environment what do you think let's hold 1732 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:17,410 that answer for a moment and we'll do it 1733 01:16:21,330 --> 01:16:18,460 in our next segment 1734 01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:21,340 olaf phillips conspiracy theory 1735 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:23,710 researcher is joining us you're on with 1736 01:16:27,209 --> 01:16:25,210 Jeana and Chris and I never know what 1737 01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:27,219 Chris is gonna say when I do this you're 1738 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,170 [Music] 1739 01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:39,660 you're listening to 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there of Olaf Phillips our 1851 01:21:30,910 --> 01:21:28,010 guest you have an answer well I think 1852 01:21:34,930 --> 01:21:30,920 your your bang on because they're a not 1853 01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:34,940 always Carol Peterson all of this is 1854 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:36,770 seen all over the world I mean there's 1855 01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:38,330 evidence of it being done to sheep 1856 01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:41,030 cattle you know pretty much anything 1857 01:21:45,940 --> 01:21:44,030 that's a whole livestock and it's even 1858 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:45,950 humans I mean there there are cases 1859 01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:48,050 where supposedly humans were mutilated 1860 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:51,920 in the same way so you know yeah I would 1861 01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:55,010 say that it very much you know in my 1862 01:21:58,210 --> 01:21:56,510 mind I would think that it very much is 1863 01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:58,220 is trying to understand the 1864 01:22:05,290 --> 01:22:01,280 environmental impact of a region or a 1865 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:05,300 location or some other element within a 1866 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:08,810 localized group of organisms is probably 1867 01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:10,570 the best way I could put it 1868 01:22:15,670 --> 01:22:12,830 okay I'm not quite sure what you mean by 1869 01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:15,680 that but I I think if you're going to 1870 01:22:22,150 --> 01:22:19,390 test the quality of the environment 1871 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:22,160 probably the most likely and efficient 1872 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:24,890 way to do that would be to test you know 1873 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:27,050 the animals that live in that that 1874 01:22:35,710 --> 01:22:30,610 environment right but I think like UFOs 1875 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:35,720 like many of these conspiratorial II 1876 01:22:40,290 --> 01:22:37,970 tinged subjects that we cover on the 1877 01:22:44,260 --> 01:22:40,300 para cast there is no one-size-fits-all 1878 01:22:47,410 --> 01:22:44,270 answer it is a morass of potential 1879 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:47,420 explanations that all kind of dovetail 1880 01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:50,330 together to create something that's the 1881 01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:52,490 bewildering and when when people get 1882 01:22:59,680 --> 01:22:55,730 bewildered Olaf as you know they tend to 1883 01:23:01,890 --> 01:22:59,690 tune out and the more uncertainty the 1884 01:23:04,540 --> 01:23:01,900 or possibility for multiple players 1885 01:23:06,610 --> 01:23:04,550 become involved in a particular mystery 1886 01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,620 the more people throw their hands up and 1887 01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:08,480 just don't want to deal with it how do 1888 01:23:15,310 --> 01:23:11,300 we drill down on all these various 1889 01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:15,320 conspiracy theories from JFK to you know 1890 01:23:21,070 --> 01:23:18,550 hidden up forbidden archeology UFOs 1891 01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:21,080 cattle deaths abductions all these 1892 01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,860 mysteries that have tons of data to 1893 01:23:30,010 --> 01:23:27,440 support all sorts of conclusions or 1894 01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:30,020 refute them how do we drill down to the 1895 01:23:35,890 --> 01:23:32,600 truth you know I don't know that you 1896 01:23:37,689 --> 01:23:35,900 always can and I think that at least in 1897 01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:37,699 some situations like the cattle 1898 01:23:42,610 --> 01:23:40,400 mutilations that could be by design but 1899 01:23:44,050 --> 01:23:42,620 I think that the problem is is that you 1900 01:23:46,900 --> 01:23:44,060 know like you said there's no 1901 01:23:51,459 --> 01:23:46,910 one-size-fits-all in as humans the way 1902 01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,469 we organize information in our minds we 1903 01:23:56,110 --> 01:23:53,840 want a one-size-fits-all answer right 1904 01:23:57,580 --> 01:23:56,120 because it's you want to apply Occam's 1905 01:24:01,060 --> 01:23:57,590 razor and take the simplest explanation 1906 01:24:03,850 --> 01:24:01,070 and say okay got it move on although we 1907 01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:03,860 are attracted I think to mysteries we're 1908 01:24:08,830 --> 01:24:05,570 attracted to mysteries to a point when 1909 01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:08,840 it becomes too complex than we we do I 1910 01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:11,210 would agree with you turn to now but I 1911 01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:14,110 think the best you can do is to take an 1912 01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:18,170 individual situation and investigate it 1913 01:24:23,020 --> 01:24:21,050 as much as you can right and to take all 1914 01:24:26,170 --> 01:24:23,030 the available data and to see where that 1915 01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:26,180 takes you and then say okay I think this 1916 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:29,360 time this means X and then the next one 1917 01:24:33,790 --> 01:24:31,610 comes around and then you you know you 1918 01:24:36,750 --> 01:24:33,800 start to do the same thing and you drill 1919 01:24:40,060 --> 01:24:36,760 down as far as you can go into that one 1920 01:24:42,820 --> 01:24:40,070 situation and say okay this means Y and 1921 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:42,830 overtime you know if you have enough X's 1922 01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,050 and Y's you start to see a pattern right 1923 01:24:49,330 --> 01:24:47,360 wait for example UFO sightings right 1924 01:24:51,610 --> 01:24:49,340 then if you take a look at the 1925 01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:51,620 geographic distribution of UFO sightings 1926 01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:55,100 they tend to fall along the coasts the 1927 01:24:59,170 --> 01:24:57,050 East Coast and the West Coast and with 1928 01:25:01,630 --> 01:24:59,180 some exceptions it's a lot lighter in 1929 01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:01,640 the middle well population density would 1930 01:25:04,979 --> 01:25:03,440 argue that that if you're gonna have a 1931 01:25:08,380 --> 01:25:04,989 large number of sightings around 1932 01:25:09,970 --> 01:25:08,390 population dense areas because there are 1933 01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,980 a lot of people walking around looking 1934 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:12,080 at things say okay well I don't know 1935 01:25:15,550 --> 01:25:13,010 what that is I guess 1936 01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:15,560 you fo they they go to a UFO database 1937 01:25:20,860 --> 01:25:18,350 and they enter I saw a weird light so it 1938 01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:20,870 kind of convoluted the the situation 1939 01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:24,260 yes but UFOs the problem being every 1940 01:25:28,330 --> 01:25:25,490 time you think you've got the pattern 1941 01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:28,340 the five years cycle four five so it's 1942 01:25:32,050 --> 01:25:30,080 the East Coast and the west coast but 1943 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:32,060 what about sayings in places like 1944 01:25:37,090 --> 01:25:35,210 Mississippi or Minnesota or your central 1945 01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:37,100 part of the country of course in places 1946 01:25:41,290 --> 01:25:39,290 they're not necessarily near the coast 1947 01:25:44,260 --> 01:25:41,300 so there's always the exception that 1948 01:25:46,150 --> 01:25:44,270 doesn't prove the rule in the UFO field 1949 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:46,160 where that gets to be more and more 1950 01:25:51,820 --> 01:25:48,290 confusing if there is a game plan I 1951 01:25:53,980 --> 01:25:51,830 think all the efforts to unearth that 1952 01:25:56,020 --> 01:25:53,990 game plan have them come to very much 1953 01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:56,030 what do you think I'll have about the 1954 01:26:02,380 --> 01:25:59,840 theory of portal or window area specific 1955 01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:02,390 locations that attract more than their 1956 01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:06,170 share of unusual events well um I never 1957 01:26:11,770 --> 01:26:08,540 really investigated it too heavily you 1958 01:26:14,530 --> 01:26:11,780 know like most people I you got to pick 1959 01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:14,540 them but there are places that 1960 01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:17,090 definitely appear to have higher than 1961 01:26:22,990 --> 01:26:19,760 normal odd activity the problem is is 1962 01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:23,000 that those areas tend to have a wide 1963 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:25,730 range of odd activity so you know you 1964 01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:27,290 take this in Walker ranch you know 1965 01:26:32,380 --> 01:26:29,450 they'll get cryptids they'll get ghosts 1966 01:26:35,020 --> 01:26:32,390 they'll get UFOs cattle mutilations it's 1967 01:26:38,260 --> 01:26:35,030 like an encyclopedia you know the there 1968 01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,270 the there's the valley in southern 1969 01:26:41,740 --> 01:26:40,400 Colorado right that you know it's the 1970 01:26:44,260 --> 01:26:41,750 same kind of thing they get a lot of 1971 01:26:46,990 --> 01:26:44,270 different things going on there in it 1972 01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:47,000 and frankly you know based on what I've 1973 01:26:51,070 --> 01:26:48,800 seen it would appear that there are 1974 01:26:53,250 --> 01:26:51,080 places on the earth that have strange 1975 01:26:57,100 --> 01:26:53,260 things happen they could be caused by 1976 01:26:59,500 --> 01:26:57,110 portals or a whole number of things but 1977 01:27:01,420 --> 01:26:59,510 you know I don't know that in those 1978 01:27:04,330 --> 01:27:01,430 situations outside of the skinwalker 1979 01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:04,340 ranch I don't know that in this families 1980 01:27:10,150 --> 01:27:05,690 valley or some of these other locations 1981 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:10,160 if anyone has ever tried to really 1982 01:27:15,340 --> 01:27:13,010 understand it to try outside of just 1983 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:15,350 looking at these sightings and saying 1984 01:27:20,740 --> 01:27:18,770 okay you know after the fact this is 1985 01:27:23,710 --> 01:27:20,750 what I can figure out till I proactively 1986 01:27:25,780 --> 01:27:23,720 go down there and take take readings of 1987 01:27:28,630 --> 01:27:25,790 the gravitational field goals in the air 1988 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:28,640 - to try at altitude even you know float 1989 01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,650 a balloon and figure out you know wind 1990 01:27:35,470 --> 01:27:32,480 patterns and all the environmental 1991 01:27:37,050 --> 01:27:35,480 aspects that would show you hold on if 1992 01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:37,060 you're talking about skinwalker ranch 1993 01:27:41,980 --> 01:27:39,920 you're wrong there was a crack 1994 01:27:43,570 --> 01:27:41,990 scientific team that was doing that you 1995 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:43,580 know that's why I said the exception is 1996 01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:46,970 skinwalker winner yeah I'm in the midst 1997 01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:50,030 of putting together a you know 24/7 1998 01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:51,920 surveillance camera setup so there are 1999 01:27:56,410 --> 01:27:54,170 pro axes that's the one difference is 2000 01:27:58,600 --> 01:27:56,420 that knits knits went in the skinwalker 2001 01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:58,610 ranch with the intent to do that but I 2002 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:00,800 think that in most cases they don't then 2003 01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:03,050 these these areas that seem to be 2004 01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,090 hotspots of strange activity I mean you 2005 01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:07,760 look at some of these areas like around 2006 01:28:13,180 --> 01:28:10,850 talus the people claim to to go through 2007 01:28:15,670 --> 01:28:13,190 dimensional rifts and they they claim to 2008 01:28:17,950 --> 01:28:15,680 go back in time and all kinds of crazy 2009 01:28:20,170 --> 01:28:17,960 stuff you know there's there's known 2010 01:28:22,420 --> 01:28:20,180 it's out there trying to investigate the 2011 01:28:25,090 --> 01:28:22,430 only one that I know of the where they 2012 01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:25,100 are doing all those things is skinwalker 2013 01:28:30,430 --> 01:28:27,920 ranch because knids is doing it and I 2014 01:28:32,290 --> 01:28:30,440 think that's the we're talking about 2015 01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:32,300 conspiracies here and that could be a 2016 01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:34,310 red herring to keep everybody's 2017 01:28:39,130 --> 01:28:36,890 attention on that or Roswell or wherever 2018 01:28:41,410 --> 01:28:39,140 right and the real thing could be going 2019 01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:41,420 on elsewhere now it's interesting you 2020 01:28:46,210 --> 01:28:43,970 talk about tau so I you know live just a 2021 01:28:48,250 --> 01:28:46,220 few hours north of there that was part 2022 01:28:50,410 --> 01:28:48,260 of my investigative petri dish if you 2023 01:28:52,740 --> 01:28:50,420 will and I've never heard stories of 2024 01:28:55,090 --> 01:28:52,750 people going through dimensional 2025 01:28:58,750 --> 01:28:55,100 time-based type things there although 2026 01:29:01,240 --> 01:28:58,760 Donald Rumsfeld has a 50,000 acre elk 2027 01:29:03,490 --> 01:29:01,250 ranch just north of there about 40 2028 01:29:05,530 --> 01:29:03,500 minutes or maybe he's gone through 2029 01:29:09,220 --> 01:29:05,540 dimensional rifts and we've got right 2030 01:29:13,210 --> 01:29:09,230 now the duplicate not the original that 2031 01:29:15,370 --> 01:29:13,220 could be well I think it's important to 2032 01:29:17,710 --> 01:29:15,380 identify areas that seem to have a 2033 01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:17,720 preponderance of and variety and 2034 01:29:22,510 --> 01:29:20,270 intensity of unusual experiences and 2035 01:29:25,330 --> 01:29:22,520 throw the powers of diagnostic science 2036 01:29:27,250 --> 01:29:25,340 at it as and and you got a factor in 2037 01:29:30,630 --> 01:29:27,260 obviously that tricks Jewish element 2038 01:29:33,550 --> 01:29:30,640 that's always present and the more you 2039 01:29:35,890 --> 01:29:33,560 factor in your your your you know 2040 01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:35,900 compulsion to document things in a 2041 01:29:40,570 --> 01:29:37,790 particular location it's the 2042 01:29:43,810 --> 01:29:40,580 you're more apt to have tricks Trish 2043 01:29:46,530 --> 01:29:43,820 type events occur the more focus you put 2044 01:29:49,630 --> 01:29:46,540 on it the more convoluted and 2045 01:29:51,790 --> 01:29:49,640 inexplicable it becomes when we come 2046 01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:51,800 back let's let's address the problems 2047 01:29:57,460 --> 01:29:54,200 that we have trying to drill down 2048 01:29:59,020 --> 01:29:57,470 through the conspiracies to the truth is 2049 01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:59,030 there are truth about some of these 2050 01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:00,800 conspiracies a very good point made by 2051 01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:03,440 Chris O'Brien of course he's the 2052 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:06,770 mysterious valley guy that a secret name 2053 01:30:12,220 --> 01:30:09,050 he knows so much about that place our 2054 01:30:14,170 --> 01:30:12,230 guest this week is Olaf Phillips who's 2055 01:30:16,600 --> 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that place because they're 2180 01:35:24,350 --> 01:35:22,840 controlling it so they can figure trying 2181 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:24,360 to figure out what's going on in there 2182 01:35:30,780 --> 01:35:27,610 but I think that you absolutely do have 2183 01:35:33,210 --> 01:35:30,790 to have to apply diagnostic science to 2184 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:33,220 it and you know I think you have to try 2185 01:35:37,170 --> 01:35:35,170 to apply diagnostic science to pretty 2186 01:35:39,330 --> 01:35:37,180 much any conspiracy theory that you've 2187 01:35:41,190 --> 01:35:39,340 gotta you've got to see where the tracks 2188 01:35:43,770 --> 01:35:41,200 lead and and try to make sense of it 2189 01:35:45,930 --> 01:35:43,780 it's a lot of times you know there 2190 01:35:47,820 --> 01:35:45,940 there's disinformation and human 2191 01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:47,830 fallibility built into these things and 2192 01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:50,590 it becomes very it's almost finding the 2193 01:35:54,990 --> 01:35:52,540 truth and some conspiracies is almost 2194 01:35:57,210 --> 01:35:55,000 like finding a needle in a haystack you 2195 01:35:58,560 --> 01:35:57,220 know a needle in many haystacks I think 2196 01:36:01,170 --> 01:35:58,570 it'll be more appropriate but I think 2197 01:36:03,050 --> 01:36:01,180 you're right Ryan Skinner was on the 2198 01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:03,060 show recently and 2199 01:36:09,380 --> 01:36:05,730 and it brought up a very interesting 2200 01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:09,390 thread at forum dr. Peric ascom where a 2201 01:36:16,340 --> 01:36:13,440 new science signee came in and said this 2202 01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:16,350 is all just you know it's up to fuge 2203 01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:19,170 it's the government playing games with 2204 01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:21,690 us it's it's all trickster ish where do 2205 01:36:27,020 --> 01:36:23,100 you come down on the skinwalker ranch 2206 01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:27,030 scenario as being some sort of you know 2207 01:36:33,110 --> 01:36:31,170 dog and pony show that's trying to give 2208 01:36:35,870 --> 01:36:33,120 us the idea that it's something truly 2209 01:36:38,210 --> 01:36:35,880 high strange and inexplicable when some 2210 01:36:41,450 --> 01:36:38,220 people are suggesting that it could be 2211 01:36:44,090 --> 01:36:41,460 very mundane and very psyops oriented or 2212 01:36:47,810 --> 01:36:44,100 something that's being designed to 2213 01:36:50,330 --> 01:36:47,820 elicit the response from people in the 2214 01:36:52,370 --> 01:36:50,340 area as it as being high strange but in 2215 01:36:56,630 --> 01:36:52,380 fact it's it's very premeditated and 2216 01:36:59,390 --> 01:36:56,640 very terrestrial in nature you know it's 2217 01:37:02,360 --> 01:36:59,400 hard to answer that I mean it it could 2218 01:37:03,890 --> 01:37:02,370 be but if if the government applied the 2219 01:37:05,980 --> 01:37:03,900 level of resources that would be 2220 01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:05,990 required to do it on a mass scale 2221 01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,250 because there are a number of hot spots 2222 01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:10,320 means Ken Walker ranch on the San Luis 2223 01:37:15,070 --> 01:37:12,930 Valley or only two you know there's and 2224 01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:15,080 then as you said there's Taos and others 2225 01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:18,480 you know to to create psyops programs 2226 01:37:22,190 --> 01:37:20,370 for every one of these or even a massive 2227 01:37:25,190 --> 01:37:22,200 psyops program that covers all of them 2228 01:37:26,660 --> 01:37:25,200 that's a lot of resources so you know I 2229 01:37:28,580 --> 01:37:26,670 think that there is weirdness that 2230 01:37:30,830 --> 01:37:28,590 happens you know in a lot of these 2231 01:37:33,980 --> 01:37:30,840 locations and and I think that we need 2232 01:37:36,590 --> 01:37:33,990 to you know have better scientific 2233 01:37:38,570 --> 01:37:36,600 investigation of them but as from and I 2234 01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:38,580 totally agree and pardon me for 2235 01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:41,310 interrupting but is it possible that 2236 01:37:47,060 --> 01:37:44,070 areas that all of a sudden are exposed 2237 01:37:50,630 --> 01:37:47,070 by the media as being hotspot areas is 2238 01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:50,640 is there the likelihood that the 2239 01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:52,320 government gloms onto this and then 2240 01:37:58,580 --> 01:37:55,920 starts feeding the cultural memes into 2241 01:38:00,770 --> 01:37:58,590 those areas to to create this focus 2242 01:38:02,900 --> 01:38:00,780 there and then they play around with it 2243 01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:02,910 and see how people respond if we do this 2244 01:38:09,620 --> 01:38:06,480 how will that affect you know though the 2245 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:09,630 investigators how will that disseminate 2246 01:38:13,730 --> 01:38:12,330 itself into the culture do you think 2247 01:38:16,460 --> 01:38:13,740 that some of these areas are being 2248 01:38:18,890 --> 01:38:16,470 targeted for disinformation campaigns 2249 01:38:22,250 --> 01:38:18,900 and some sort of you know psyops type 2250 01:38:24,500 --> 01:38:22,260 program yes but I think only some of 2251 01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:24,510 them I think that that you would see 2252 01:38:30,860 --> 01:38:28,290 that in places were it would behoove the 2253 01:38:34,730 --> 01:38:30,870 government to do that for example you 2254 01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:34,740 know UFOs over area 51 Nellis s for 2255 01:38:38,630 --> 01:38:36,690 whatever you want to call it that would 2256 01:38:40,490 --> 01:38:38,640 make sense right because they're trying 2257 01:38:43,390 --> 01:38:40,500 to they're trying to shift the focus 2258 01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:43,400 from what's actually going on at area 51 2259 01:38:48,980 --> 01:38:46,050 so it would make sense that the 2260 01:38:52,570 --> 01:38:48,990 disinformation mill would would feed out 2261 01:38:56,630 --> 01:38:52,580 various stories about you know about 2262 01:38:59,660 --> 01:38:56,640 area 51 Dulce right there's been a 2263 01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:59,670 long-term fight over whether Dulce is 2264 01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:00,800 real or not 2265 01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:04,080 yeah it's very real I've been there I've 2266 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:06,450 actually spent quite a quite a bit of 2267 01:39:12,740 --> 01:39:10,890 time there but what did you see a lot of 2268 01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:12,750 Hickory Apache scratching their heads 2269 01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:14,970 going don't ask me we're seeing hairy 2270 01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:18,210 small two-foot hairy dwarves that we 2271 01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:20,850 don't talk about but is there but is 2272 01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:22,770 there a massive underground base there 2273 01:39:30,700 --> 01:39:26,910 where they fought a war you know of 2274 01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,710 course I don't know definitively my 2275 01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:32,880 suspicion is that no that's a red 2276 01:39:39,020 --> 01:39:35,970 herring for us possibly bearing very 2277 01:39:42,650 --> 01:39:39,030 toxic nuclear waste in a you know a 2278 01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:42,660 sovereign country and and and and that's 2279 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:44,850 my point is that in the case of Dulce 2280 01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:46,890 there are strange things happening there 2281 01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:49,920 the the Apache and and other indigenous 2282 01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:52,080 groups of the area you know regard it 2283 01:39:59,600 --> 01:39:55,970 you know as a as a place of strangeness 2284 01:40:01,670 --> 01:39:59,610 you know but the the whole story 2285 01:40:05,300 --> 01:40:01,680 constructed about the underground 2286 01:40:08,330 --> 01:40:05,310 facility with the test vats and you know 2287 01:40:11,180 --> 01:40:08,340 aliens you know putting humans through 2288 01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:11,190 through like grinders and making pastes 2289 01:40:17,540 --> 01:40:14,850 and nightmares halt Wars and all this 2290 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:17,550 that was Vincent Price when you needed 2291 01:40:23,450 --> 01:40:21,090 him right but I could just hear the 2292 01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:23,460 fateful words that he uttered it just 2293 01:40:28,910 --> 01:40:25,800 really seems to fit the spirit of our 2294 01:40:29,930 --> 01:40:28,920 show darkness falls across the land the 2295 01:40:33,290 --> 01:40:29,940 midnight 2296 01:40:34,970 --> 01:40:33,300 don't forget it but you know that that 2297 01:40:36,650 --> 01:40:34,980 would definitely be one of those cases 2298 01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:36,660 where it's like it would make sense to 2299 01:40:41,660 --> 01:40:39,210 to spread some disinformation around 2300 01:40:44,230 --> 01:40:41,670 there because you know they probably are 2301 01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:44,240 dumping toxic waste and hazardous 2302 01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:47,760 hazardous materials in the area and they 2303 01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:49,890 don't want a lot of discussion about it 2304 01:40:54,290 --> 01:40:51,930 so they're gonna construct this this 2305 01:40:55,780 --> 01:40:54,300 story that scarcity scares the crap out 2306 01:40:58,010 --> 01:40:55,790 of most people and they won't go near it 2307 01:40:59,960 --> 01:40:58,020 now unless you'd be abducted by grey 2308 01:41:02,660 --> 01:40:59,970 aliens and taken down into the base 2309 01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:02,670 right so you know again that is a 2310 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:04,920 situation where they took you know 2311 01:41:09,290 --> 01:41:06,930 cryptid sightings in the area and kind 2312 01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,300 of lumped a bunch of stuff on top of it 2313 01:41:14,510 --> 01:41:11,760 there's a whole Benowitz thing you know 2314 01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:14,520 it's like that that's one of those cases 2315 01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:16,770 where I think you know you see some 2316 01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:19,260 disinformation coming to play but there 2317 01:41:23,180 --> 01:41:21,210 are other areas you know where the 2318 01:41:25,820 --> 01:41:23,190 strange things happen the exact 2319 01:41:27,860 --> 01:41:25,830 locations can't come to mind but they 2320 01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,870 you know odd things happen there and 2321 01:41:32,690 --> 01:41:29,520 nobody talks about it 2322 01:41:35,210 --> 01:41:32,700 you know the locals are very you know 2323 01:41:36,440 --> 01:41:35,220 scared of it you know occasionally you 2324 01:41:38,810 --> 01:41:36,450 get somebody who can break through that 2325 01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:38,820 wall of silence and investigate it a 2326 01:41:44,030 --> 01:41:41,790 little bit and you know those are more 2327 01:41:45,890 --> 01:41:44,040 legitimate but I personally I think 2328 01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:45,900 something's going on I don't I don't 2329 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:48,300 think that Bigelow and Ned's would would 2330 01:41:53,300 --> 01:41:50,010 go to the lengths that they've gone to 2331 01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,310 and and they're not like they're not 2332 01:41:57,950 --> 01:41:55,440 exactly suppressing information they 2333 01:41:59,390 --> 01:41:57,960 just don't broadcast any of it at all 2334 01:42:02,360 --> 01:41:59,400 but that's something that they have a 2335 01:42:04,940 --> 01:42:02,370 long track record of doing which is 2336 01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:04,950 suspect but what about the conspiracy 2337 01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:07,650 theory that needs initially and now 2338 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:10,560 Bigelow Aerospace are nothing more than 2339 01:42:15,980 --> 01:42:13,650 a cutout organization that is applying 2340 01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:15,990 some sort of window dressing for what 2341 01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:19,440 may be some quote-unquote conspiratorial 2342 01:42:25,460 --> 01:42:22,080 government program that is actually 2343 01:42:27,260 --> 01:42:25,470 behind some if not most of the activity 2344 01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:27,270 that's being reported there and not only 2345 01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:28,890 there but San Luis Valley 2346 01:42:34,460 --> 01:42:31,860 you could go to Gulf Breeze the Hudson 2347 01:42:37,070 --> 01:42:34,470 Valley sightings in the 80s the EM 2348 01:42:39,170 --> 01:42:37,080 Triangle in Russia this is not just a 2349 01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:39,180 u.s. thing for all our you know 2350 01:42:42,910 --> 01:42:41,940 international listeners here these types 2351 01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:42,920 of of 2352 01:42:48,370 --> 01:42:45,410 scenarios exist all over the planet you 2353 01:42:50,340 --> 01:42:48,380 have the Pine Gap facility in Australia 2354 01:42:53,410 --> 01:42:50,350 you have some very very intriguing 2355 01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:53,420 reports obviously from South America and 2356 01:42:57,850 --> 01:42:55,850 Mexico and other places do you think 2357 01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:57,860 that there's a possibility that the 2358 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:01,040 government is pumping information into 2359 01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,010 the media and and you know the the 2360 01:43:10,540 --> 01:43:06,560 cultural meme is spreading from areas 2361 01:43:13,930 --> 01:43:10,550 and the ones that actually grow legs may 2362 01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:13,940 then become the fodder for new psyops 2363 01:43:22,630 --> 01:43:17,890 programs new ideas of how to manipulate 2364 01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:22,640 events and engage the response yes and 2365 01:43:29,650 --> 01:43:25,280 no I mean I think they see the thing 2366 01:43:31,689 --> 01:43:29,660 about disinformation right as a thing is 2367 01:43:33,700 --> 01:43:31,699 that you always have to have the golden 2368 01:43:36,459 --> 01:43:33,710 thread that's somewhere and all that 2369 01:43:38,740 --> 01:43:36,469 disinformation is the truth and it's 2370 01:43:43,570 --> 01:43:38,750 called the golden thread right and you 2371 01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:43,580 wrap this untruths around the truth so I 2372 01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:46,400 think that yeah definitely you know the 2373 01:43:51,700 --> 01:43:50,090 these these places are co-opted but you 2374 01:43:54,700 --> 01:43:51,710 know something I think something weird 2375 01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:54,710 has to happen there first and then it 2376 01:43:59,200 --> 01:43:56,719 has to be who the government or 2377 01:44:02,470 --> 01:43:59,210 governments to cover up that area for 2378 01:44:05,169 --> 01:44:02,480 some reason and then they start to rap 2379 01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:05,179 they start to expand it like a dam ski 2380 01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,730 and his stories they it starts to grow 2381 01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:09,920 exponentially around something that 2382 01:44:14,770 --> 01:44:12,410 actually happened these you know these 2383 01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:14,780 places that you mentioned you know that 2384 01:44:18,430 --> 01:44:16,880 something weird happened and and then 2385 01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:18,440 the government said well you know what 2386 01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:21,050 if we if we create a mystical 2387 01:44:26,169 --> 01:44:23,570 underground base that's does human 2388 01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:26,179 cloning and and we fought a war and all 2389 01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:28,370 this other stuff you know then we can 2390 01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,560 make a bigger story that people are kind 2391 01:44:34,450 --> 01:44:32,719 of afraid of or we can focus them at 2392 01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:34,460 this location so they're not looking 2393 01:44:39,250 --> 01:44:37,610 over here or we're doing bad things but 2394 01:44:40,660 --> 01:44:39,260 I think that in the beginning there has 2395 01:44:44,050 --> 01:44:40,670 to be something that happened there 2396 01:44:46,959 --> 01:44:44,060 legitimately and then if if the 2397 01:44:49,570 --> 01:44:46,969 environment is right I don't think it's 2398 01:44:53,470 --> 01:44:49,580 so much a cultural experiment I think 2399 01:44:55,180 --> 01:44:53,480 it's more just a misdirection before we 2400 01:44:56,380 --> 01:44:55,190 get yeah the question would be to what 2401 01:44:58,240 --> 01:44:56,390 end but we'll have that 2402 01:45:02,950 --> 01:44:58,250 question answered on the other side 2403 01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:02,960 because this opens a lot of cans of 2404 01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:05,600 worms not just one we have to kind of 2405 01:45:08,410 --> 01:45:07,040 put that together we have some questions 2406 01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:08,420 from our listeners to express in our 2407 01:45:15,580 --> 01:45:12,080 next segment we have Olaf Phillips he's 2408 01:45:18,430 --> 01:45:15,590 a conspiracy theory researcher and we 2409 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:18,440 have Jean and Chris you're in the para 2410 01:45:23,770 --> 01:45:27,149 [Music] 2411 01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:30,449 unseen now calm proud sponsor of GCS 2412 01:45:35,969 --> 01:45:32,650 unseen now some paralleled encryption 2413 01:45:39,179 --> 01:45:35,979 tools keep your communication secure G C 2414 01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:39,189 end hi this is Ted Anderson if you'd 2415 01:45:42,569 --> 01:45:41,169 like to listen to GCN programs on the 2416 01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:42,579 goal I have great news 2417 01:45:46,859 --> 01:45:44,650 gzn has created a Droid and iPhone 2418 01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:46,869 application and it's free just as easy 2419 01:45:51,089 --> 01:45:49,209 as going to GC and live.com click on the 2420 01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:51,099 banner and download before you know it 2421 01:45:54,509 --> 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available 2449 01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:34,850 through Amazon 2450 01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:37,130 pro-am one from Tara Gannicus life's 2451 01:47:42,140 --> 01:47:38,320 getting better 2452 01:47:42,150 --> 01:47:46,360 [Applause] 2453 01:47:53,870 --> 01:47:49,760 welcome back to to the para cast the 2454 01:48:03,890 --> 01:47:53,880 gold standard of paranormal radio and 2455 01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:03,900 now here's Jane Steinberg so Chris asked 2456 01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:06,690 olav about the theories he voiced to 2457 01:48:11,540 --> 01:48:07,980 what end 2458 01:48:13,820 --> 01:48:11,550 Olaf Phillips what is your response well 2459 01:48:15,980 --> 01:48:13,830 I think the the end game of at least 2460 01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:15,990 some of these locations is misdirection 2461 01:48:21,770 --> 01:48:18,300 right so if you if you focus everybody's 2462 01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:21,780 attention on point a right there's an 2463 01:48:26,690 --> 01:48:24,000 underground base there there's things 2464 01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:26,700 happening at Point a that nobody looks 2465 01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:29,760 at point B C or D where you know they're 2466 01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:32,400 dumping things or they're testing things 2467 01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:35,520 or it's it's like the a12 right again 2468 01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,890 they 8/12 flying around people see it 2469 01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:39,600 they go oh what is that it's a 2470 01:48:44,750 --> 01:48:42,210 high-speed silver aircraft flying across 2471 01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:44,760 the sky so what does the CIA do because 2472 01:48:49,970 --> 01:48:46,650 it was a CIA program what does the CIA 2473 01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:49,980 do they say oh that's a UFO so everybody 2474 01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:52,490 goes all I saw a UFO see I went to 2475 01:48:57,740 --> 01:48:55,830 whatever news agency they say you know 2476 01:49:02,270 --> 01:48:57,750 people were reporting UFOs it could not 2477 01:49:04,370 --> 01:49:02,280 be possibly be a spy plane right so you 2478 01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:04,380 know if you fix people's attention on 2479 01:49:09,020 --> 01:49:06,900 one location then they lose sight of the 2480 01:49:10,970 --> 01:49:09,030 other locations around it where things 2481 01:49:12,980 --> 01:49:10,980 could be happening whether their tests 2482 01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:12,990 or illegal dumping which is the curve 2483 01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:16,170 many times or other nefarious things 2484 01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:17,760 that are happening you know you're 2485 01:49:21,140 --> 01:49:19,710 looking over to your left when you 2486 01:49:23,330 --> 01:49:21,150 should be looking at the right and 2487 01:49:26,900 --> 01:49:23,340 they're going to use this information to 2488 01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:26,910 to focus that attention on this location 2489 01:49:32,090 --> 01:49:29,760 so the end result is that you know you 2490 01:49:34,610 --> 01:49:32,100 get you get to cover up things that 2491 01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:34,620 shouldn't be covered up at b c d e f g h 2492 01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:37,290 i j k all over it into your right side 2493 01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:40,530 when everybody who has a curious mind 2494 01:49:44,660 --> 01:49:42,210 and who worries about these things is 2495 01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:44,670 looking to the left and saying okay well 2496 01:49:49,130 --> 01:49:46,530 what's going on over there does that 2497 01:49:52,910 --> 01:49:49,140 make sense yeah absolutely and i think 2498 01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:52,920 the the lynchpin for that focus if you 2499 01:49:58,810 --> 01:49:57,090 will is as you pointed out the reality 2500 01:50:01,330 --> 01:49:58,820 of phenomena 2501 01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:01,340 events that occur there initially and 2502 01:50:06,339 --> 01:50:03,920 possibly continue to occur there but 2503 01:50:08,459 --> 01:50:06,349 then as glomming on to that and and in 2504 01:50:11,500 --> 01:50:08,469 focusing everyone's attention on their 2505 01:50:13,419 --> 01:50:11,510 where possibly around that area there 2506 01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:13,429 might be other things that we should be 2507 01:50:19,629 --> 01:50:16,130 focusing on that we've been innard into 2508 01:50:22,180 --> 01:50:19,639 focusing on on you know whatever this 2509 01:50:23,950 --> 01:50:22,190 information project and kind of Wells up 2510 01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:23,960 from the initial experiences or 2511 01:50:28,959 --> 01:50:27,440 traditional or even mythic traditions 2512 01:50:32,890 --> 01:50:28,969 that that have to do with a particular 2513 01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:32,900 location but this brings me up to this 2514 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:34,610 is a really interesting subject that 2515 01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:38,810 that we cover off and on a lot on the 2516 01:50:45,550 --> 01:50:42,050 para cast and before we get to questions 2517 01:50:47,740 --> 01:50:45,560 from the forum at the forum podcast calm 2518 01:50:51,939 --> 01:50:47,750 I want to get you take on the whole idea 2519 01:50:54,970 --> 01:50:51,949 of UFO disclosure and the role of the US 2520 01:50:56,830 --> 01:50:54,980 government and other governments in this 2521 01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:56,840 process and whether you think that 2522 01:51:02,290 --> 01:50:59,840 there's something that can be disclosed 2523 01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:02,300 by the government or should be well the 2524 01:51:07,569 --> 01:51:04,880 first thing whenever I get asked this 2525 01:51:09,819 --> 01:51:07,579 and it's happened a few times there are 2526 01:51:12,220 --> 01:51:09,829 some things that should be secret for a 2527 01:51:18,750 --> 01:51:12,230 variety of reasons and those things will 2528 01:51:21,300 --> 01:51:18,760 never be divulge you know for instance 2529 01:51:25,330 --> 01:51:21,310 that's hard to say because I don't know 2530 01:51:27,370 --> 01:51:25,340 well two words national security right I 2531 01:51:29,319 --> 01:51:27,380 mean they're you know there are there 2532 01:51:31,209 --> 01:51:29,329 are ways certain things work on the way 2533 01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:31,219 things certain things are done that 2534 01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:33,050 should be secret because you know we 2535 01:51:38,500 --> 01:51:36,110 mined data doing that you know methods 2536 01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:38,510 of human intelligence for example right 2537 01:51:44,109 --> 01:51:40,880 those kinds of methods should be secret 2538 01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:44,119 I would suggest that certain test 2539 01:51:49,450 --> 01:51:45,920 aircraft should probably be secret 2540 01:51:51,850 --> 01:51:49,460 because we don't want people who are not 2541 01:51:54,459 --> 01:51:51,860 they're not our adversaries per se but 2542 01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:54,469 you know they're not us and we don't 2543 01:51:58,750 --> 01:51:56,960 want them to know our full capability in 2544 01:52:01,780 --> 01:51:58,760 the event that we need to use it god 2545 01:52:04,030 --> 01:52:01,790 help us someday right but as far as 2546 01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,040 disclosure you know one of the things 2547 01:52:08,169 --> 01:52:06,560 that you have to kind of isolate is what 2548 01:52:10,810 --> 01:52:08,179 are we disclosing or we disclosing 2549 01:52:12,189 --> 01:52:10,820 aliens are real that there's a there in 2550 01:52:14,649 --> 01:52:12,199 space Nazis 2551 01:52:16,779 --> 01:52:14,659 you know and I think the generic answer 2552 01:52:19,209 --> 01:52:16,789 for all those things is that it'll never 2553 01:52:22,180 --> 01:52:19,219 happen then I think it'll never happen 2554 01:52:24,459 --> 01:52:22,190 because not so much that the public's 2555 01:52:26,319 --> 01:52:24,469 afraid logo let's say that it's UFOs and 2556 01:52:28,959 --> 01:52:26,329 aliens I don't think it's so much that 2557 01:52:31,959 --> 01:52:28,969 they it would cause a tremendous amount 2558 01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:31,969 of cultural impact but I don't know that 2559 01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:34,489 it would lead to widespread panic a lot 2560 01:52:40,060 --> 01:52:37,489 of the Brookings report I'm not at this 2561 01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:40,070 point not with all the preparedness that 2562 01:52:45,339 --> 01:52:42,050 they've done with things like x-files 2563 01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:45,349 and you know sightings and in search of 2564 01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:47,209 and all these shows that have kind of 2565 01:52:51,719 --> 01:52:49,610 prepared us psychologically for the 2566 01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:51,729 event of that to happen right yeah 2567 01:52:57,790 --> 01:52:55,010 that's disclosure 101 right but I think 2568 01:52:59,799 --> 01:52:57,800 that it's one how about this do you 2569 01:53:01,989 --> 01:52:59,809 think that other countries are slowly 2570 01:53:06,959 --> 01:53:01,999 opening up and just divulging their 2571 01:53:10,689 --> 01:53:06,969 files to take the heat off the u.s. yes 2572 01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:10,699 yes I think that's probably true but one 2573 01:53:14,109 --> 01:53:11,840 of the reasons that I think that 2574 01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,119 disclosure will never happen is it in in 2575 01:53:19,689 --> 01:53:16,639 the perpetuation of these these 2576 01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:19,699 conspiracies right that so many laws 2577 01:53:24,399 --> 01:53:22,159 have been broken and so many nefarious 2578 01:53:27,399 --> 01:53:24,409 things have been done to cover it up the 2579 01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:27,409 coming clean would do more damage than 2580 01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:29,570 leaving it the way it is right because 2581 01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:32,090 you know we look at the banking crisis 2582 01:53:35,919 --> 01:53:34,369 and to this day you know it's a 2583 01:53:38,410 --> 01:53:35,929 political thing so it depends on how you 2584 01:53:39,729 --> 01:53:38,420 look at it but in in a general sense I 2585 01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:39,739 think a lot of people are angry about 2586 01:53:44,020 --> 01:53:42,050 how it went down whether you're you know 2587 01:53:46,270 --> 01:53:44,030 whatever side of the fence you lie on I 2588 01:53:48,669 --> 01:53:46,280 think everybody was generally upset 2589 01:53:50,259 --> 01:53:48,679 about how it went down right but there's 2590 01:53:52,569 --> 01:53:50,269 never been any blowback for it there's 2591 01:53:54,459 --> 01:53:52,579 never been you know trials or real 2592 01:53:56,739 --> 01:53:54,469 investigations it was more like it 2593 01:53:58,419 --> 01:53:56,749 happened it's over let's move on and I 2594 01:54:00,819 --> 01:53:58,429 think that's that's the same kind of 2595 01:54:02,919 --> 01:54:00,829 scenario they I don't think they want to 2596 01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:02,929 disclose it because the catastrophic 2597 01:54:07,209 --> 01:54:05,090 damage to the trustworthiness what 2598 01:54:11,890 --> 01:54:07,219 little there is left of our government 2599 01:54:13,719 --> 01:54:11,900 would be it would be soaked a distrusts 2600 01:54:15,819 --> 01:54:13,729 within us and government in the same 2601 01:54:17,799 --> 01:54:15,829 sentence basically that's my point is 2602 01:54:19,719 --> 01:54:17,809 that we don't trust them and we've come 2603 01:54:22,029 --> 01:54:19,729 to we've come to assume that they're 2604 01:54:23,919 --> 01:54:22,039 doing bad things but I think that if we 2605 01:54:25,490 --> 01:54:23,929 we knew the true scope of some of the 2606 01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:25,500 bad things that they've done 2607 01:54:29,540 --> 01:54:27,810 then we would be very upset I don't know 2608 01:54:31,190 --> 01:54:29,550 what would happen I think you need 2609 01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:31,200 another Brookings report to figure out 2610 01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:34,170 what would happen so the amount of laws 2611 01:54:38,540 --> 01:54:36,090 that have been broken and and the 2612 01:54:41,140 --> 01:54:38,550 terrible things that have been done 2613 01:54:45,620 --> 01:54:41,150 you know just the nefarious activities 2614 01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:45,630 the fear that scaring people and hiding 2615 01:54:50,750 --> 01:54:48,000 things and I also think that it's too 2616 01:54:54,110 --> 01:54:50,760 complicated right because the people in 2617 01:54:57,290 --> 01:54:54,120 power they control some of these things 2618 01:54:59,090 --> 01:54:57,300 whether they're UFOs or space wars or 2619 01:55:01,370 --> 01:54:59,100 whatever you want to come down to secret 2620 01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:01,380 space programs and all that it's 2621 01:55:06,670 --> 01:55:04,650 compartmentalized right so it's also a 2622 01:55:09,740 --> 01:55:06,680 problem of you've got this bureaucratic 2623 01:55:12,020 --> 01:55:09,750 operation that in some cases is so 2624 01:55:14,030 --> 01:55:12,030 compartmentalized who's coming forward 2625 01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,040 who's telling the truth right they only 2626 01:55:18,830 --> 01:55:16,560 know right and oftentimes the right hand 2627 01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:18,840 has no clue the left hand even exists 2628 01:55:25,580 --> 01:55:22,320 yeah you know let alone the left hand 2629 01:55:27,620 --> 01:55:25,590 doing something nefarious but this begs 2630 01:55:30,590 --> 01:55:27,630 the question do you think that the 2631 01:55:32,300 --> 01:55:30,600 government is simply in a reactionary 2632 01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:32,310 mode or do you think it's being 2633 01:55:38,210 --> 01:55:35,490 proactive I think I think that in some 2634 01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:38,220 cases it's proactive you know where 2635 01:55:43,010 --> 01:55:40,170 you're they're using misdirection I 2636 01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:43,020 think in other cases like the a12 that I 2637 01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:44,490 always go back to 2638 01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:47,520 I think that's proactive and then I 2639 01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:49,440 think in other cases it's reactionary I 2640 01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:51,210 mean they you know there are a lot of 2641 01:55:55,190 --> 01:55:52,560 people with cell phones there's a 2642 01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:55,200 proliferation of cell phone cameras so 2643 01:55:58,700 --> 01:55:56,970 now on any day of the week you know when 2644 01:55:59,900 --> 01:55:58,710 they fly in Aurora over the Midwest 2645 01:56:02,480 --> 01:55:59,910 somebody's gonna get a photo 2646 01:56:03,890 --> 01:56:02,490 lift oh not on a rope you know and then 2647 01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:03,900 that gets put on the internet and every 2648 01:56:07,450 --> 01:56:05,520 goes there were is up in the air again 2649 01:56:09,710 --> 01:56:07,460 that's not something I think that the 2650 01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:09,720 government necessarily feels comfortable 2651 01:56:13,490 --> 01:56:11,280 that they don't want people to know this 2652 01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:13,500 planes flying around up there whatever 2653 01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:16,320 the second generation Aurora is so you 2654 01:56:19,700 --> 01:56:17,730 know they have to concoct things like 2655 01:56:21,650 --> 01:56:19,710 what's a UFO or whatever that's 2656 01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:21,660 reactionary but I think there definitely 2657 01:56:27,410 --> 01:56:24,570 is some proactive element of it that 2658 01:56:30,050 --> 01:56:27,420 that is actively trying to cover-up 2659 01:56:32,660 --> 01:56:30,060 certain things certain test programs 2660 01:56:34,670 --> 01:56:32,670 certain locations you know for example 2661 01:56:36,730 --> 01:56:34,680 the cut the continuity of government 2662 01:56:38,980 --> 01:56:36,740 bunkers right cog bunkers 2663 01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:38,990 there are a number of them and they were 2664 01:56:43,330 --> 01:56:41,210 built during the Cold War you know we 2665 01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:43,340 could do a whole nother show about why 2666 01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:45,530 they actually exist and what they do and 2667 01:56:51,220 --> 01:56:48,530 and all that get Richard solder right 2668 01:56:54,220 --> 01:56:51,230 Richard solder yeah but there you know 2669 01:56:56,020 --> 01:56:54,230 they exist right you know we have to go 2670 01:56:58,030 --> 01:56:56,030 to break here in a second but I want you 2671 01:57:00,250 --> 01:56:58,040 to think about this particular question 2672 01:57:03,220 --> 01:57:00,260 before we go to break are their 2673 01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:03,230 professional dissing formers at work in 2674 01:57:07,630 --> 01:57:05,930 ufology or are you follow just in 2675 01:57:10,030 --> 01:57:07,640 general just doing a real good job 2676 01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:10,040 discrediting themselves this comes from 2677 01:57:16,510 --> 01:57:12,410 our longtime post to Poulter worst at 2678 01:57:18,610 --> 01:57:16,520 forum dr. Peric ascom so do we have real 2679 01:57:21,490 --> 01:57:18,620 dis disinformation agents from the 2680 01:57:23,770 --> 01:57:21,500 government involved or are we just doing 2681 01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:23,780 this to ourselves before we get the 2682 01:57:28,420 --> 01:57:26,090 answer alive we have to do the break 2683 01:57:30,030 --> 01:57:28,430 with gene and Chris you're in the para 2684 01:57:37,490 --> 01:57:30,040 cast 2685 01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:40,620 neighbors are you tired of dealing with 2686 01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:44,110 a slow web hosting provider well check 2687 01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:47,290 out a two hosting and they're screaming 2688 01:57:53,550 --> 01:57:50,290 fast Swift server platform they even 2689 01:57:55,820 --> 01:57:53,560 have SSDs at load pages three hundred 2690 01:57:59,040 --> 01:57:55,830 percent faster than the competition 2691 01:58:01,920 --> 01:57:59,050 ready to give your sign a speed boost 2692 01:58:05,700 --> 01:58:01,930 well tell you what 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you if you have a 2776 02:01:49,490 --> 02:01:45,510 comment or question about the para cast 2777 02:01:52,970 --> 02:01:49,500 sent it to news at the para cast com 2778 02:01:54,890 --> 02:01:52,980 that's news at the para cast calm and 2779 02:01:58,100 --> 02:01:54,900 don't forget to visit our famous para 2780 02:02:00,850 --> 02:01:58,110 cast community forums at forum dot the 2781 02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:00,860 para cast dot-com 2782 02:02:05,540 --> 02:02:03,030 some people think we're saying the 2783 02:02:06,050 --> 02:02:05,550 parrot cast you know like Polly want a 2784 02:02:07,970 --> 02:02:06,060 cracker 2785 02:02:09,620 --> 02:02:07,980 some kind of thing I don't know with 2786 02:02:12,169 --> 02:02:09,630 Gina and Chris we have Olaf Phillips 2787 02:02:15,380 --> 02:02:12,179 joining us Chris asked him a question 2788 02:02:16,850 --> 02:02:15,390 and now Olaf having had three or four 2789 02:02:19,370 --> 02:02:16,860 seconds to think about it what's your 2790 02:02:22,939 --> 02:02:19,380 response you know the way the 2791 02:02:26,959 --> 02:02:22,949 disinformation works best is not to have 2792 02:02:29,180 --> 02:02:26,969 a disinformation agent per se not like 2793 02:02:32,030 --> 02:02:29,190 you have this dude he's he's part of the 2794 02:02:34,459 --> 02:02:32,040 CIA and this whole job is to break in 2795 02:02:38,060 --> 02:02:34,469 organizations and spread around you know 2796 02:02:39,650 --> 02:02:38,070 dis truths right I think that what 2797 02:02:41,450 --> 02:02:39,660 you're seeing is that and this goes back 2798 02:02:44,510 --> 02:02:41,460 to even what happened to Bob ashlar 2799 02:02:47,209 --> 02:02:44,520 decades ago what you have is a scenario 2800 02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:47,219 where you've got a bunch of people who 2801 02:02:54,770 --> 02:02:49,730 really really are interested in UFOs 2802 02:02:57,470 --> 02:02:54,780 right and maybe anonymously or however 2803 02:03:00,080 --> 02:02:57,480 you want to deliver to them you give 2804 02:03:02,450 --> 02:03:00,090 them a nugget right and that nugget is 2805 02:03:04,100 --> 02:03:02,460 there's a golden threat of UFOs are real 2806 02:03:05,810 --> 02:03:04,110 but there's all this other stuff wrapped 2807 02:03:07,970 --> 02:03:05,820 around it that's all this information 2808 02:03:10,370 --> 02:03:07,980 you hand them the Nugget and then I 2809 02:03:13,100 --> 02:03:10,380 think they distributed themselves so I 2810 02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:13,110 think 9 99 percent of the time the 2811 02:03:17,570 --> 02:03:14,880 disinformation is perpetuated by 2812 02:03:20,270 --> 02:03:17,580 ourselves unknowingly I'm unthinkingly 2813 02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:20,280 I've probably done it myself at probably 2814 02:03:25,459 --> 02:03:22,290 of both of you inadvertently not even 2815 02:03:28,610 --> 02:03:25,469 knowing yes I was reported as being in a 2816 02:03:30,530 --> 02:03:28,620 black helicopter as well I was a black 2817 02:03:32,419 --> 02:03:30,540 helicopter was reported and it was 2818 02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:32,429 actually me flying in a dark purple 2819 02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:34,650 helicopter photographing herds of cows 2820 02:03:39,140 --> 02:03:36,810 so I understand where you're going with 2821 02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:39,150 that but but if you look at it's some 2822 02:03:45,590 --> 02:03:42,239 very key figures I think in in the a 2823 02:03:48,350 --> 02:03:45,600 fairly recent history of ufology as an 2824 02:03:51,370 --> 02:03:48,360 example you have someone like Bill Moore 2825 02:03:53,149 --> 02:03:51,380 someone like Richard Doty Robert Collins 2826 02:03:56,270 --> 02:03:53,159 another question from 2827 02:03:59,810 --> 02:03:56,280 the worst how much of today's UFO 2828 02:04:01,879 --> 02:03:59,820 mythology do we owe to Bill more could 2829 02:04:04,700 --> 02:04:01,889 he have faked the mj-12 documents with 2830 02:04:09,530 --> 02:04:04,710 the help of one or two others just for 2831 02:04:11,870 --> 02:04:09,540 fun or was this a systematic example of 2832 02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:11,880 disinformation well when you talk about 2833 02:04:16,399 --> 02:04:14,400 people like no more and any other issue 2834 02:04:18,439 --> 02:04:16,409 you're talking about the Avery right and 2835 02:04:20,209 --> 02:04:18,449 this is the idea that they were handled 2836 02:04:22,910 --> 02:04:20,219 and given information and distribute 2837 02:04:25,129 --> 02:04:22,920 alleged aber he alleged but I think that 2838 02:04:27,020 --> 02:04:25,139 when you look at those guys and what 2839 02:04:30,110 --> 02:04:27,030 they did Doty is a completely different 2840 02:04:32,030 --> 02:04:30,120 topic Dody by himself is a completely 2841 02:04:35,810 --> 02:04:32,040 different topic he's also about five 2842 02:04:37,790 --> 02:04:35,820 shows and one time just too quickly he 2843 02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:37,800 said once or twice he'd come on the 2844 02:04:41,959 --> 02:04:39,570 power cast and then he disappears but 2845 02:04:43,610 --> 02:04:41,969 please go on Olaf well when you look at 2846 02:04:45,110 --> 02:04:43,620 Bill Moore and the others there are a 2847 02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:45,120 number of other people that were 2848 02:04:49,820 --> 02:04:48,090 supposedly in the aviary I think that 2849 02:04:52,189 --> 02:04:49,830 very much is a situation where you've 2850 02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:52,199 got guys and and Bill Moore if I 2851 02:04:57,439 --> 02:04:54,239 remember correctly I said well I did it 2852 02:04:59,180 --> 02:04:57,449 to get the real information right and 2853 02:05:01,370 --> 02:04:59,190 you know I think you haven't you have a 2854 02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:01,380 situation where you've got people for a 2855 02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:03,330 variety of reasons excuse me hold on 2856 02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:05,690 olofi when Bill Moore said he did what 2857 02:05:10,610 --> 02:05:08,880 that he spread the disinfo you're 2858 02:05:12,439 --> 02:05:10,620 talking to mj-12 you were talking 2859 02:05:14,689 --> 02:05:12,449 bennewitz what are you talking about I 2860 02:05:17,090 --> 02:05:14,699 don't remember exactly which part of it 2861 02:05:19,729 --> 02:05:17,100 they've spread so much right well you're 2862 02:05:22,459 --> 02:05:19,739 thinking of his MUFON presentation back 2863 02:05:25,220 --> 02:05:22,469 in the late 80s I think I am thinking of 2864 02:05:26,510 --> 02:05:25,230 that but you know there's all there's 2865 02:05:28,850 --> 02:05:26,520 always this while I did it for the 2866 02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:28,860 greater good thing and I think what what 2867 02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:31,320 you've got is is you've got somebody who 2868 02:05:36,919 --> 02:05:33,810 handed them information and then they in 2869 02:05:40,340 --> 02:05:36,929 the case of Bill Moore know knew it was 2870 02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:40,350 suspect but perpetuated it for his own 2871 02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:42,480 personal gain right and this is one 2872 02:05:46,490 --> 02:05:44,210 strategy to co-opt people in 2873 02:05:49,970 --> 02:05:46,500 intelligence right you co-opted them 2874 02:05:52,399 --> 02:05:49,980 through money power sex drugs they 2875 02:05:54,860 --> 02:05:52,409 everybody's got a hold on a minute I was 2876 02:05:57,800 --> 02:05:54,870 involved in investigating a real UFO 2877 02:06:00,530 --> 02:05:57,810 hotspot that obviously had some 2878 02:06:02,510 --> 02:06:00,540 government intrigue involved with it 2879 02:06:04,729 --> 02:06:02,520 nobody showed up at my house with a 2880 02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:04,739 Samsonite suitcase filled with 2881 02:06:08,660 --> 02:06:06,330 hundred-dollar bills 2882 02:06:10,970 --> 02:06:08,670 there was no hot babe knocking on my 2883 02:06:13,250 --> 02:06:10,980 door and saying hey big boy is an 2884 02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:13,260 invitation amaze you let me stop here 2885 02:06:18,380 --> 02:06:15,810 let's stop let me ask you Chris you're 2886 02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:18,390 inviting the suitcase filled with 2887 02:06:23,060 --> 02:06:20,400 hundred-dollar bills and the babes right 2888 02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:23,070 sure and I'll document it and then turn 2889 02:06:28,940 --> 02:06:26,400 them down but what I'm saying is a lot 2890 02:06:31,790 --> 02:06:28,950 of times in a lot of times I think in 2891 02:06:35,210 --> 02:06:31,800 ufology however the information enters 2892 02:06:37,130 --> 02:06:35,220 the enters the picture right that it's 2893 02:06:39,590 --> 02:06:37,140 passed and you're probably not a good 2894 02:06:42,020 --> 02:06:39,600 example because I you know you want to 2895 02:06:44,210 --> 02:06:42,030 get it the truth and your motives are 2896 02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:44,220 different but I think in a lot of cases 2897 02:06:48,770 --> 02:06:47,370 people want to believe so much that if 2898 02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:48,780 they're given something that they can 2899 02:06:52,130 --> 02:06:50,370 believe and they want to believe then 2900 02:06:54,650 --> 02:06:52,140 they're gonna spread it around does that 2901 02:06:57,710 --> 02:06:54,660 make sense yeah Linda Moulton Howe comes 2902 02:06:59,450 --> 02:06:57,720 to mind Steven Greer shall I go on with 2903 02:07:01,670 --> 02:06:59,460 names what why don't you add a few names 2904 02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:01,680 there well I try not to name names but 2905 02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:04,170 you know I think I think there are a 2906 02:07:07,670 --> 02:07:05,730 number of people out there that you know 2907 02:07:09,380 --> 02:07:07,680 their their backgrounds are suspect and 2908 02:07:13,190 --> 02:07:09,390 the information that they get a suspect 2909 02:07:16,340 --> 02:07:13,200 this is a para cast Olav we name names 2910 02:07:19,180 --> 02:07:16,350 please yeah but you know what I like to 2911 02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,190 be everybody's friend so I'm not gonna 2912 02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:21,840 hey that's our problem Chris we're not 2913 02:07:26,210 --> 02:07:24,450 everybody's friends with everybody 2914 02:07:27,950 --> 02:07:26,220 that's why I get Zog for not asking 2915 02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:27,960 tough questions on the show cuz 2916 02:07:31,250 --> 02:07:30,000 everybody we get on I know well this is 2917 02:07:33,290 --> 02:07:31,260 some of the toughest questions I've 2918 02:07:37,670 --> 02:07:33,300 gotten believe me we haven't gotten 2919 02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:37,680 started yeah we are you got a seat belt 2920 02:07:43,460 --> 02:07:42,090 on that office chair I do I installed 2921 02:07:45,020 --> 02:07:43,470 that I heard about you too you know I 2922 02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:45,030 was a little worried but you know I 2923 02:07:50,060 --> 02:07:47,280 think in the case of lendable now for 2924 02:07:51,950 --> 02:07:50,070 example right she describes since you 2925 02:07:54,590 --> 02:07:51,960 already named her name she describes a 2926 02:07:56,960 --> 02:07:54,600 process by which Dodi gave her 2927 02:07:59,450 --> 02:07:56,970 information and if you understand how 2928 02:08:02,540 --> 02:07:59,460 the organization that Dodi belonged to 2929 02:08:04,430 --> 02:08:02,550 which he did belong to operates that's 2930 02:08:07,780 --> 02:08:04,440 in a total violation of how they do 2931 02:08:10,460 --> 02:08:07,790 things and it's an organization that is 2932 02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:10,470 governed by process that the way they do 2933 02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:13,110 things because their investigative right 2934 02:08:17,390 --> 02:08:15,570 they have to follow a certain procedure 2935 02:08:19,550 --> 02:08:17,400 whether they're introducing 2936 02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:19,560 disinformation or whatever 2937 02:08:24,140 --> 02:08:21,210 there's a way that things are done and 2938 02:08:27,470 --> 02:08:24,150 if you violate that it's very very very 2939 02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:27,480 bad and I know that for a fact and the 2940 02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:29,370 description of how the information was 2941 02:08:33,020 --> 02:08:31,170 given to her this going into the office 2942 02:08:36,230 --> 02:08:33,030 and and seeing things they don't do that 2943 02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:36,240 that they just will not do that right so 2944 02:08:42,620 --> 02:08:38,610 you know the the information delivery 2945 02:08:45,200 --> 02:08:42,630 was very suspect but you know she at the 2946 02:08:47,450 --> 02:08:45,210 time I'm not going I'm not going to 2947 02:08:49,610 --> 02:08:47,460 comment on her other investigations 2948 02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:49,620 which may be good or bad it I'll leave 2949 02:08:54,140 --> 02:08:52,050 that to you guys to decide but I think 2950 02:08:55,940 --> 02:08:54,150 this already have in fact that we asked 2951 02:08:59,000 --> 02:08:55,950 her to come on the show very recently 2952 02:09:00,680 --> 02:08:59,010 and first she says yes and then I think 2953 02:09:03,590 --> 02:09:00,690 she looked at the show and saw the name 2954 02:09:06,860 --> 02:09:03,600 Christopher O'Brien as the co-host and 2955 02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:06,870 decided not to respond just can't blame 2956 02:09:11,090 --> 02:09:09,840 it on me Jane you're here we want to 2957 02:09:13,700 --> 02:09:11,100 blame everything on you they blame 2958 02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:13,710 everything on me so I might as well turn 2959 02:09:19,250 --> 02:09:16,650 the tables but you know I I think the 2960 02:09:22,100 --> 02:09:19,260 that she thought she was gonna get some 2961 02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:22,110 really great info and and she was 2962 02:09:26,540 --> 02:09:24,210 willing to suspend disbelief in that 2963 02:09:28,460 --> 02:09:26,550 situation and you know she was fed 2964 02:09:32,110 --> 02:09:28,470 information that's not true a variant of 2965 02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:32,120 which I believe my memory is cloudy but 2966 02:09:37,820 --> 02:09:34,290 I'm actually not feeling that great to 2967 02:09:39,500 --> 02:09:37,830 thinking but the this similar 2968 02:09:41,810 --> 02:09:39,510 information I think was passed to Bill 2969 02:09:45,260 --> 02:09:41,820 Moore somebody else got something it was 2970 02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:45,270 like a like a slightly different than 2971 02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:46,890 what she got but was basically the same 2972 02:09:53,120 --> 02:09:50,400 and you know well it was Dodi at 2973 02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:53,130 Kirtland Air Force we're gonna have to 2974 02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:54,930 go to break here in a second and when we 2975 02:09:58,760 --> 02:09:55,650 come back 2976 02:10:00,620 --> 02:09:58,770 olav I'd like to hear and this is a 2977 02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:00,630 question from our longtime poster 2978 02:10:06,650 --> 02:10:03,530 poulter words that form dr. 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Phillips 3089 02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:00,800 fascinating journeys and excursions into 3090 02:15:06,380 --> 02:15:04,170 conspiracy theories and regardless of 3091 02:15:08,660 --> 02:15:06,390 our reputation in the past I'll agree 3092 02:15:12,650 --> 02:15:08,670 with what Chris conveyed to be by mental 3093 02:15:14,450 --> 02:15:12,660 telepathy were being really nice Chris 3094 02:15:16,460 --> 02:15:14,460 you had something to comment on further 3095 02:15:17,870 --> 02:15:16,470 maybe this will change our tune that 3096 02:15:20,570 --> 02:15:17,880 we're not being nice what do you think 3097 02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:20,580 well I think we're being nice I you know 3098 02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:23,010 all I've really I salute you for your 3099 02:15:29,210 --> 02:15:25,050 your diligence and getting involved in 3100 02:15:32,060 --> 02:15:29,220 this incredible kaleidoscopic morass of 3101 02:15:35,570 --> 02:15:32,070 conspiracies especially when it you know 3102 02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:35,580 it involves the paranormal UFOs and 3103 02:15:39,110 --> 02:15:37,050 things that go bump in the night that 3104 02:15:41,020 --> 02:15:39,120 you know the scientific community and 3105 02:15:45,380 --> 02:15:41,030 the academics don't want to deal with 3106 02:15:46,670 --> 02:15:45,390 but before we went to break I I I just I 3107 02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:46,680 was looking at Poulter worse this 3108 02:15:51,620 --> 02:15:49,890 question about you know what are your 3109 02:15:54,170 --> 02:15:51,630 favorite conspiracy theories we've been 3110 02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:54,180 kind of dancing around quite a number of 3111 02:15:57,770 --> 02:15:56,070 them but but where do you come down what 3112 02:16:00,760 --> 02:15:57,780 are the ones that really fascinate you 3113 02:16:03,110 --> 02:16:00,770 the most well I love exotic aircraft 3114 02:16:05,900 --> 02:16:03,120 number one you know I'm an Air Force 3115 02:16:07,700 --> 02:16:05,910 brat my grandfather and my father were 3116 02:16:10,910 --> 02:16:07,710 both in the Air Force and you know I 3117 02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:10,920 spent the early part of my life in on 3118 02:16:15,260 --> 02:16:13,050 Air Force bases so I love planes and 3119 02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:15,270 exotic aircraft and there's a lot of 3120 02:16:22,040 --> 02:16:20,070 conspiracies around those but on the 3121 02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:22,050 secret space program do you think we 3122 02:16:27,650 --> 02:16:24,570 have a breakaway civilization that has 3123 02:16:29,810 --> 02:16:27,660 antigrav technology you know the skunk 3124 02:16:32,089 --> 02:16:29,820 words founder Ben rich said we have the 3125 02:16:35,240 --> 02:16:32,099 technology to take e.t back to the stars 3126 02:16:37,610 --> 02:16:35,250 whatever you can envision we we've 3127 02:16:39,620 --> 02:16:37,620 already figured it out we found that the 3128 02:16:41,089 --> 02:16:39,630 missing formula all these things where 3129 02:16:42,830 --> 02:16:41,099 do you come down there well you forgot 3130 02:16:44,390 --> 02:16:42,840 he also said that not only do I have the 3131 02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:44,400 means to get et home but I have the 3132 02:16:51,589 --> 02:16:47,280 contract that's that was my favorite 3133 02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:51,599 line you know actually it is I think it 3134 02:16:54,650 --> 02:16:53,760 stems out of my interest in exotic 3135 02:16:56,570 --> 02:16:54,660 aircraft that 3136 02:16:58,850 --> 02:16:56,580 you know I'm very interested in the 3137 02:17:01,459 --> 02:16:58,860 secret space program not just the the 3138 02:17:03,410 --> 02:17:01,469 base mechanics of what the aircraft is 3139 02:17:06,410 --> 02:17:03,420 that they're flying but the larger 3140 02:17:08,209 --> 02:17:06,420 picture of why it exists I've wrote and 3141 02:17:09,620 --> 02:17:08,219 written quite a number of articles about 3142 02:17:12,430 --> 02:17:09,630 that I'm actually working on a book 3143 02:17:15,050 --> 02:17:12,440 about it but I think the one that really 3144 02:17:16,669 --> 02:17:15,060 boggles my mind that that I've been at 3145 02:17:20,390 --> 02:17:16,679 for a number of years is the whole 3146 02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:20,400 alternative three thing it's a very very 3147 02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:23,370 controversial topic you know there's a 3148 02:17:27,980 --> 02:17:25,290 group of people that that simply say 3149 02:17:30,260 --> 02:17:27,990 it's not real and you know but I think 3150 02:17:32,450 --> 02:17:30,270 there's there's compelling evidence that 3151 02:17:34,130 --> 02:17:32,460 the structure of it Israel you know what 3152 02:17:35,959 --> 02:17:34,140 let's go back back to action little bit 3153 02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:35,969 remember a lot of our listeners are new 3154 02:17:40,510 --> 02:17:37,410 to the show we have a worldwide audience 3155 02:17:42,890 --> 02:17:40,520 if people have been around this crazy 3156 02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:42,900 collection of subjects for years others 3157 02:17:49,430 --> 02:17:45,450 were not explain what you're talking 3158 02:17:51,800 --> 02:17:49,440 about there in 1977 there was a TV show 3159 02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:51,810 it was the final ephemera correctly it's 3160 02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:54,410 a final episode of a TV show called 3161 02:17:59,720 --> 02:17:57,050 science report it was kind of like a 3162 02:18:02,419 --> 02:17:59,730 60-minute style let's investigate 3163 02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:02,429 science and it was broadcast on the East 3164 02:18:08,690 --> 02:18:05,760 Anglia TV network and the the final 3165 02:18:12,590 --> 02:18:08,700 episode was called alternative three and 3166 02:18:15,860 --> 02:18:12,600 it basically outlined the how should I 3167 02:18:17,600 --> 02:18:15,870 put this the apocalypse and what the 3168 02:18:21,740 --> 02:18:17,610 government was doing to fix it and that 3169 02:18:24,140 --> 02:18:21,750 over this 15-minute period the reporters 3170 02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:24,150 went through and talked to people and 3171 02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:26,130 you know they came to the conclusion 3172 02:18:31,459 --> 02:18:29,250 that the earth is going to suffer some 3173 02:18:34,400 --> 02:18:31,469 sort of Cataclysm in the case of 3174 02:18:35,780 --> 02:18:34,410 alternative three it's an ice age the 3175 02:18:38,270 --> 02:18:35,790 powers that be are taking off and going 3176 02:18:39,860 --> 02:18:38,280 to Mars that's kind of summing it up so 3177 02:18:41,800 --> 02:18:39,870 it was supposed to be broadcast April 3178 02:18:44,720 --> 02:18:41,810 first supposedly as an April Fool's joke 3179 02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:44,730 due to due to a strike and some other 3180 02:18:49,850 --> 02:18:47,250 activities that happen it was broadcast 3181 02:18:53,180 --> 02:18:49,860 I remember Kirkland June I'd have to 3182 02:18:55,520 --> 02:18:53,190 look but if I think it was June and it 3183 02:18:58,970 --> 02:18:55,530 was broadcast simultaneously in England 3184 02:19:01,730 --> 02:18:58,980 like Sweden and I think Australia they 3185 02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:01,740 broadcast at the same time and it was a 3186 02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:03,690 kind of War of the Worlds reaction where 3187 02:19:07,580 --> 02:19:06,690 everybody freaked out and the 3188 02:19:10,339 --> 02:19:07,590 switchboard 3189 02:19:12,620 --> 02:19:10,349 and it led to it led to laws being 3190 02:19:15,049 --> 02:19:12,630 passed that kind of programming can't be 3191 02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:15,059 heared in all the countries I mentioned 3192 02:19:20,120 --> 02:19:18,000 the head of NBC drama optioned it 3193 02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:20,130 because it really is rather interesting 3194 02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:23,519 to watch the head of NBC drama optioned 3195 02:19:27,129 --> 02:19:25,290 it came back to the United States he was 3196 02:19:29,419 --> 02:19:27,139 on vacation at the time I watched it 3197 02:19:30,769 --> 02:19:29,429 standards and practices that NBC 3198 02:19:33,469 --> 02:19:30,779 rejected it and said it was too 3199 02:19:35,929 --> 02:19:33,479 dangerous I think the only place in the 3200 02:19:38,209 --> 02:19:35,939 world that it can be aired on the air is 3201 02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:38,219 in Japan and supposedly they show it 3202 02:19:43,849 --> 02:19:41,040 once a year but there's a whole mess of 3203 02:19:45,769 --> 02:19:43,859 stuff with an alternative three that 3204 02:19:47,719 --> 02:19:45,779 there were three alternatives that were 3205 02:19:49,729 --> 02:19:47,729 supposedly executed to try to fix the 3206 02:19:51,649 --> 02:19:49,739 problem the first was like a high 3207 02:19:54,859 --> 02:19:51,659 altitude detonation of a nuclear device 3208 02:19:57,530 --> 02:19:54,869 to try to vent carbon dioxide and co2 3209 02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:57,540 gases into space the second was a 3210 02:20:02,599 --> 02:19:59,760 massive underground complex building 3211 02:20:04,639 --> 02:20:02,609 spree which I think any conversation 3212 02:20:06,519 --> 02:20:04,649 with Richard solder would make you 3213 02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:06,529 realize that that has happened 3214 02:20:11,210 --> 02:20:09,449 whether it's alternative 3 or just you 3215 02:20:13,340 --> 02:20:11,220 know the new Cold War there's bunkers 3216 02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:13,350 everywhere and then the third option was 3217 02:20:18,790 --> 02:20:15,930 a breakaway space program right and I 3218 02:20:22,099 --> 02:20:18,800 think that in in conjunction with that 3219 02:20:25,819 --> 02:20:22,109 that there's actually the possibility of 3220 02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:25,829 a war going on in space between elements 3221 02:20:29,240 --> 02:20:27,840 of the surviving Third Reich whether 3222 02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:29,250 it's the third right fourth right 3223 02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:31,439 whatever you want to call them but 3224 02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:34,560 they're there fighting up there and one 3225 02:20:38,450 --> 02:20:36,329 of the things that's made me believe 3226 02:20:40,010 --> 02:20:38,460 that amongst others is some of the 3227 02:20:42,260 --> 02:20:40,020 things that Grimm at Grimsley's caught 3228 02:20:44,359 --> 02:20:42,270 with his night vision where you appear 3229 02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:44,369 to see like dogfights and I've actually 3230 02:20:48,410 --> 02:20:47,010 witnessed it I was in an event where it 3231 02:20:51,229 --> 02:20:48,420 Grimsley was he brought out the 3232 02:20:52,910 --> 02:20:51,239 night-vision scopes that put it on you 3233 02:20:54,170 --> 02:20:52,920 know and I saw triangles doing loops 3234 02:20:57,170 --> 02:20:54,180 around each other and all kinds of 3235 02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:57,180 craziness up but I alta too so you know 3236 02:21:01,580 --> 02:20:59,520 the alternative three secret space 3237 02:21:05,090 --> 02:21:01,590 program is actually quite a fixation for 3238 02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:05,100 me very very fascinating book one thing 3239 02:21:10,460 --> 02:21:08,130 a lot that you kind of glossed over and 3240 02:21:12,859 --> 02:21:10,470 forgot to mention was that there have 3241 02:21:15,740 --> 02:21:12,869 been at least back in the 70s there were 3242 02:21:18,229 --> 02:21:15,750 quite a number of fairly high play 3243 02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:18,239 scientists that the program claimed had 3244 02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:20,880 disappeared and the inference being that 3245 02:21:24,110 --> 02:21:21,600 they had been 3246 02:21:26,380 --> 02:21:24,120 and smuggled the way to Mars or some 3247 02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:26,390 some other place where they were 3248 02:21:32,510 --> 02:21:30,090 continuing their research so what do you 3249 02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:32,520 think I mean you you've described a real 3250 02:21:36,200 --> 02:21:34,800 sci-fi sounding scenario where do you 3251 02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:36,210 come down on this do you think that 3252 02:21:40,969 --> 02:21:38,430 there was a golden thread of truth 3253 02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:40,979 behind this or what what do you think 3254 02:21:45,620 --> 02:21:43,439 yes I think there's a golden thread of 3255 02:21:49,519 --> 02:21:45,630 truth there was a subsequent book 3256 02:21:51,950 --> 02:21:49,529 written by Leslie Watkins and he's 3257 02:21:54,260 --> 02:21:51,960 pretty much vanished but the you know he 3258 02:21:55,900 --> 02:21:54,270 he claims that he got Dean he he thought 3259 02:21:58,490 --> 02:21:55,910 he was writing kind of science fiction 3260 02:22:00,260 --> 02:21:58,500 but the more that he investigated the 3261 02:22:03,710 --> 02:22:00,270 more he started to realize it was real 3262 02:22:05,210 --> 02:22:03,720 and he claims it when he moved I forget 3263 02:22:08,269 --> 02:22:05,220 if he moved to New Zealand or from New 3264 02:22:10,309 --> 02:22:08,279 Zealand but when he was moving his 3265 02:22:11,059 --> 02:22:10,319 container got broken into and they stole 3266 02:22:13,849 --> 02:22:11,069 everything 3267 02:22:16,370 --> 02:22:13,859 but he was apparently told by a number 3268 02:22:18,139 --> 02:22:16,380 of people that it was real but I don't 3269 02:22:21,260 --> 02:22:18,149 think I don't think that the program 3270 02:22:23,690 --> 02:22:21,270 that you watch is real I think that that 3271 02:22:25,340 --> 02:22:23,700 that is probably the disinformation 3272 02:22:27,710 --> 02:22:25,350 element of it but I think structurally 3273 02:22:30,860 --> 02:22:27,720 it's real and you can look at various 3274 02:22:33,200 --> 02:22:30,870 elements of it to see the reality of it 3275 02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:33,210 you know in the late 50s there were 3276 02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:36,930 there were there were meetings and this 3277 02:22:41,420 --> 02:22:39,359 is all public record were you know 3278 02:22:43,610 --> 02:22:41,430 certain climatologist back in the 50s 3279 02:22:46,309 --> 02:22:43,620 realized that we were going to have a 3280 02:22:47,870 --> 02:22:46,319 massive greenhouse effect and they 3281 02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:47,880 started to come up with ways to try to 3282 02:22:52,610 --> 02:22:50,970 fix it when you look at the explosion at 3283 02:22:54,830 --> 02:22:52,620 high altitude there was a test called 3284 02:22:57,170 --> 02:22:54,840 project Argos that was carried out in 3285 02:22:59,179 --> 02:22:57,180 the in the South Atlantic and they 3286 02:23:00,769 --> 02:22:59,189 carried it out in half the time it would 3287 02:23:03,500 --> 02:23:00,779 normally take I think they prepared for 3288 02:23:05,660 --> 02:23:03,510 like six months were normally take a 3289 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:05,670 year to a year and a half to prepare 3290 02:23:09,980 --> 02:23:08,010 such a thing and a lot of times people 3291 02:23:12,530 --> 02:23:09,990 say well that was because of the test 3292 02:23:14,660 --> 02:23:12,540 ban treaty is coming into effect and the 3293 02:23:18,110 --> 02:23:14,670 limits on high altitude nuclear tests 3294 02:23:18,590 --> 02:23:18,120 but you 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lecturer 3430 02:28:52,900 --> 02:28:49,790 Stan Friedman you are listening to the 3431 02:29:00,850 --> 02:28:52,910 parrot case to the gold standard a 3432 02:29:03,400 --> 02:29:00,860 paranormal radio well we're running out 3433 02:29:05,950 --> 02:29:03,410 of conspiracy theories no we're not they 3434 02:29:08,890 --> 02:29:05,960 are endless Olaf ups joins us and of 3435 02:29:11,381 --> 02:29:08,900 course one of the most interesting 3436 02:29:12,610 --> 02:29:11,391 theories that fall into conspiracy 3437 02:29:16,290 --> 02:29:12,620 theories I don't know if it's a 3438 02:29:20,170 --> 02:29:16,300 conspiracy though is the ever-present 3439 02:29:23,410 --> 02:29:20,180 legend of Tesla what about that what's 3440 02:29:26,350 --> 02:29:23,420 your take on him you know I have to be 3441 02:29:28,450 --> 02:29:26,360 honest I never outside of seeing Tesla 3442 02:29:31,631 --> 02:29:28,460 coils and stuff I've never really 3443 02:29:34,301 --> 02:29:31,641 investigated Tesla what happened makes a 3444 02:29:37,091 --> 02:29:34,311 lot of sense that he he invented a lot 3445 02:29:38,881 --> 02:29:37,101 of things and then suddenly he was 3446 02:29:41,261 --> 02:29:38,891 suppressed I mean that's happened before 3447 02:29:43,450 --> 02:29:41,271 you know he had a running fight with 3448 02:29:44,920 --> 02:29:43,460 other scientists of the time I think 3449 02:29:47,020 --> 02:29:44,930 there's a lot of weird things that 3450 02:29:48,730 --> 02:29:47,030 supposedly happen where his lab was 3451 02:29:51,011 --> 02:29:48,740 broken into and all his research was 3452 02:29:53,470 --> 02:29:51,021 stolen and yeah so I think there's 3453 02:29:55,390 --> 02:29:53,480 probably something there but whether he 3454 02:29:57,370 --> 02:29:55,400 he actually created the weather 3455 02:29:59,740 --> 02:29:57,380 modification machines and the earthquake 3456 02:30:01,330 --> 02:29:59,750 machines and the lasers and the other 3457 02:30:03,551 --> 02:30:01,340 stuff that were attributed to him I I 3458 02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:03,561 wouldn't know but it's definitely yeah 3459 02:30:07,570 --> 02:30:04,610 it's fascinating 3460 02:30:11,261 --> 02:30:07,580 now the other one of course is the guy 3461 02:30:14,110 --> 02:30:11,271 who founded NICAP a head of major Donald 3462 02:30:18,820 --> 02:30:14,120 Kehoe it was founded by an antigravity 3463 02:30:20,350 --> 02:30:18,830 guy named T Townsend Brown right what's 3464 02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:20,360 the story about him because he was 3465 02:30:22,780 --> 02:30:22,010 ousted I guess her thrown out or 3466 02:30:25,270 --> 02:30:22,790 something 3467 02:30:29,170 --> 02:30:25,280 oh boy I got to go back in time for that 3468 02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:29,180 one that's that's way back there um well 3469 02:30:33,850 --> 02:30:32,000 he he supposedly invented quite a number 3470 02:30:36,551 --> 02:30:33,860 of things including a functional 3471 02:30:38,350 --> 02:30:36,561 antigravity engine like and I think he 3472 02:30:41,320 --> 02:30:38,360 worked on a perpetual motion device as 3473 02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:41,330 well but again you know the those both 3474 02:30:46,381 --> 02:30:44,090 test line and in him they fall into this 3475 02:30:48,910 --> 02:30:46,391 realm of conspiracy theory about 3476 02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:48,920 scientific suppression right that these 3477 02:30:52,780 --> 02:30:50,000 guys had invented 3478 02:30:55,990 --> 02:30:52,790 these devices that you know it could 3479 02:30:57,820 --> 02:30:56,000 power all kinds of things cars planes 3480 02:31:00,390 --> 02:30:57,830 what what have you and they were 3481 02:31:02,770 --> 02:31:00,400 suppressed scientifically because the 3482 02:31:06,130 --> 02:31:02,780 military-industrial complex was making 3483 02:31:08,260 --> 02:31:06,140 money off of oil and electricity and so 3484 02:31:10,120 --> 02:31:08,270 they were suppressed to keep that money 3485 02:31:11,230 --> 02:31:10,130 flowing in you know I think it's 3486 02:31:13,180 --> 02:31:11,240 probably something we should look at 3487 02:31:15,220 --> 02:31:13,190 nowadays you know depending on how you 3488 02:31:16,690 --> 02:31:15,230 fall about peak oil it might be 3489 02:31:18,850 --> 02:31:16,700 something and instability in the Middle 3490 02:31:25,420 --> 02:31:18,860 East the probably technologies we should 3491 02:31:31,270 --> 02:31:25,430 revisit but Chris we should also look 3492 02:31:33,040 --> 02:31:31,280 into Marconi who of course was in a 3493 02:31:36,340 --> 02:31:33,050 patent fight with Tesla about who 3494 02:31:39,340 --> 02:31:36,350 invented radio so we see here that's not 3495 02:31:42,100 --> 02:31:39,350 just Apple and it's not just Samsung who 3496 02:31:43,720 --> 02:31:42,110 engage in patent fights just want to 3497 02:31:45,790 --> 02:31:43,730 point that out but one thing that's 3498 02:31:47,860 --> 02:31:45,800 always intrigued me oh love about 3499 02:31:48,580 --> 02:31:47,870 Marconi as he disappeared without a 3500 02:31:52,270 --> 02:31:48,590 trace 3501 02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:52,280 supposedly going into the I think the 3502 02:31:58,990 --> 02:31:54,770 jungles of Venezuela correct me if I'm 3503 02:32:03,160 --> 02:31:59,000 wrong Jean and he may be kind of our 3504 02:32:07,630 --> 02:32:03,170 litmus test sort of prototype you know 3505 02:32:10,390 --> 02:32:07,640 mad scientist that we see every so often 3506 02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:10,400 in the James Bond movies what do you 3507 02:32:14,520 --> 02:32:12,410 know about the conspiracy surrounding 3508 02:32:16,920 --> 02:32:14,530 the disappearance of Marconi 3509 02:32:20,530 --> 02:32:16,930 unfortunately not as much as I should 3510 02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:20,540 you know those guys that that weren't 3511 02:32:26,320 --> 02:32:22,640 that element of conspiracy theory was 3512 02:32:28,270 --> 02:32:26,330 not something that I spent a lot of time 3513 02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:28,280 researching but yeah he did disappear 3514 02:32:32,980 --> 02:32:30,650 but a lot of these guys again you know 3515 02:32:34,810 --> 02:32:32,990 they they fall into this realm where 3516 02:32:37,480 --> 02:32:34,820 they're making these breakthroughs and 3517 02:32:39,190 --> 02:32:37,490 the the powers that be you know are 3518 02:32:40,330 --> 02:32:39,200 unhappy with the breakthroughs that 3519 02:32:43,150 --> 02:32:40,340 they're making and they tend to 3520 02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:43,160 disappear or the case of Tesla I believe 3521 02:32:50,440 --> 02:32:46,730 he died penniless in a in a hotel in New 3522 02:32:55,210 --> 02:32:50,450 York so right you know that they they 3523 02:32:59,380 --> 02:32:55,220 always meet an untimely or unsuccessful 3524 02:33:02,050 --> 02:32:59,390 ends the Tesla you know spent his life 3525 02:33:03,540 --> 02:33:02,060 building these insane machines you know 3526 02:33:06,091 --> 02:33:03,550 anybody who's seen a Tesla coil 3527 02:33:08,011 --> 02:33:06,101 I mean that alone in our Jacob's Ladder 3528 02:33:09,961 --> 02:33:08,021 those things are impressive deceit and 3529 02:33:12,690 --> 02:33:09,971 the kind of raw power that he was able 3530 02:33:14,040 --> 02:33:12,700 to harness Marconi you know around radio 3531 02:33:17,551 --> 02:33:14,050 and some of the things that he had done 3532 02:33:20,430 --> 02:33:17,561 these are amazing technologies but they 3533 02:33:22,530 --> 02:33:20,440 tend to disappear or to die completely 3534 02:33:25,921 --> 02:33:22,540 discredited which in the case of Tesla 3535 02:33:28,680 --> 02:33:25,931 it was discredited well that that kind 3536 02:33:31,261 --> 02:33:28,690 of brings us back to the whole idea of 3537 02:33:35,490 --> 02:33:31,271 alternative three where you have some 3538 02:33:38,370 --> 02:33:35,500 sort of brain drain or you know the you 3539 02:33:42,060 --> 02:33:38,380 know the disappearance of particular key 3540 02:33:45,320 --> 02:33:42,070 figures in in cutting-edge aspects of 3541 02:33:48,450 --> 02:33:45,330 scientific investigation of research 3542 02:33:52,350 --> 02:33:48,460 look at all the the deaths of bio 3543 02:33:54,961 --> 02:33:52,360 physicists biochemists biochemists in 3544 02:33:57,540 --> 02:33:54,971 the 90s yeah and in the case of 3545 02:33:59,310 --> 02:33:57,550 alternative three the number of people 3546 02:34:02,671 --> 02:33:59,320 that disappeared from the Marconi 3547 02:34:05,881 --> 02:34:02,681 Corporation in England for Asus was was 3548 02:34:07,921 --> 02:34:05,891 your very very intriguing it's massive I 3549 02:34:10,470 --> 02:34:07,931 mean they they lost dozens and dozens of 3550 02:34:13,370 --> 02:34:10,480 people died so do you think that there 3551 02:34:17,100 --> 02:34:13,380 is a breakaway civilization is there a 3552 02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:17,110 concerted effort by the powers to be to 3553 02:34:21,841 --> 02:34:19,120 gather the biggest the best the 3554 02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:21,851 brightest the most talented purloined 3555 02:34:26,940 --> 02:34:24,730 them into some sort of location and have 3556 02:34:29,820 --> 02:34:26,950 them do their you know cutting-edge 3557 02:34:31,740 --> 02:34:29,830 research in secret and hide the results 3558 02:34:35,551 --> 02:34:31,750 of that research from the public is this 3559 02:34:38,520 --> 02:34:35,561 is this a sci-fi novel scenario or is 3560 02:34:41,790 --> 02:34:38,530 could this possibly be real well I think 3561 02:34:43,410 --> 02:34:41,800 I think it's real and it's not just you 3562 02:34:45,390 --> 02:34:43,420 know scientists I think he you know you 3563 02:34:47,850 --> 02:34:45,400 see massive numbers of people that just 3564 02:34:50,220 --> 02:34:47,860 disappear and that's the batch 3565 02:34:53,100 --> 02:34:50,230 consignment angle of alternative three 3566 02:34:55,711 --> 02:34:53,110 the slave labor low-skilled labor that 3567 02:34:58,381 --> 02:34:55,721 these two to operate whatever they built 3568 02:35:00,780 --> 02:34:58,391 and you know more than that if you look 3569 02:35:02,700 --> 02:35:00,790 at the moon if you look at Mars every 3570 02:35:04,381 --> 02:35:02,710 once in a while there's a lot of stuff 3571 02:35:06,060 --> 02:35:04,391 that's really suspect it's like I don't 3572 02:35:08,301 --> 02:35:06,070 know I don't know if that's a dome 3573 02:35:10,711 --> 02:35:08,311 there's a lot of fakes but occasionally 3574 02:35:12,570 --> 02:35:10,721 even in the master originals you know 3575 02:35:15,780 --> 02:35:12,580 you find structures I mean there there's 3576 02:35:16,090 --> 02:35:15,790 buildings on Mars that are real I mean 3577 02:35:21,130 --> 02:35:16,100 you know 3578 02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:21,140 have to tell you it really is I'm you're 3579 02:35:25,599 --> 02:35:24,050 entitled to your opinion but the face on 3580 02:35:29,019 --> 02:35:25,609 Mars and all this other stuff the 3581 02:35:31,269 --> 02:35:29,029 Richard Hoagland stuff we've had more 3582 02:35:32,620 --> 02:35:31,279 than one show showing that a lot of 3583 02:35:35,979 --> 02:35:32,630 that's maybe nonsense 3584 02:35:38,950 --> 02:35:35,989 well yeah ideally all you know looking 3585 02:35:41,349 --> 02:35:38,960 at the you know latest photograph of a 3586 02:35:43,750 --> 02:35:41,359 rock on Mars I mean I I've been going 3587 02:35:45,969 --> 02:35:43,760 there and back with several individuals 3588 02:35:48,340 --> 02:35:45,979 about you know their particular 3589 02:35:50,950 --> 02:35:48,350 interpretation of what that rock in the 3590 02:35:52,599 --> 02:35:50,960 play of light and shadow could be but 3591 02:35:55,059 --> 02:35:52,609 you know but you run our last segment 3592 02:35:56,559 --> 02:35:55,069 here alive and I'm sure a lot of people 3593 02:35:59,740 --> 02:35:56,569 out there are really interested in what 3594 02:36:01,420 --> 02:35:59,750 you do but before we get to how they can 3595 02:36:03,309 --> 02:36:01,430 find out more about you why don't you 3596 02:36:05,830 --> 02:36:03,319 tell us some of the authors and 3597 02:36:07,960 --> 02:36:05,840 researchers that you would advise our 3598 02:36:10,300 --> 02:36:07,970 listeners to go and investigate to learn 3599 02:36:12,550 --> 02:36:10,310 more well I think you're you know you're 3600 02:36:14,109 --> 02:36:12,560 a good one you know I read a lot of the 3601 02:36:16,740 --> 02:36:14,119 books about the San Luis Valley and the 3602 02:36:20,019 --> 02:36:16,750 mysterious things that happen there I 3603 02:36:21,729 --> 02:36:20,029 mean there's just a ton I like Henry 3604 02:36:24,280 --> 02:36:21,739 Stevens you know I read a lot of his 3605 02:36:26,260 --> 02:36:24,290 stuff I really like Nick Redfern you 3606 02:36:30,130 --> 02:36:26,270 know he's amazing writer an amazing 3607 02:36:37,000 --> 02:36:30,140 researcher I go back to the old stuff 3608 02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:37,010 Jacques Vallee Hynek those guys a lot I 3609 02:36:43,359 --> 02:36:40,250 like some of Childress's books on lost 3610 02:36:45,370 --> 02:36:43,369 civilizations those are fascinating when 3611 02:36:49,330 --> 02:36:45,380 you turn around I got a library here let 3612 02:36:52,320 --> 02:36:49,340 me see what I go chip Dolan Richard 3613 02:36:55,570 --> 02:36:52,330 Dolan I like him 3614 02:36:59,080 --> 02:36:55,580 Brad Steiger always been a huge fan of 3615 02:37:02,830 --> 02:36:59,090 Brad Steiger John keel a lot of the 3616 02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:02,840 classics well of course I knew keel for 3617 02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:04,880 a number of years and I think we came 3618 02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:08,720 close to having them on before he passed 3619 02:37:13,479 --> 02:37:11,090 but they got really crotchety in his 3620 02:37:15,429 --> 02:37:13,489 final years Oh em all out Phillips 3621 02:37:17,260 --> 02:37:15,439 please tell our listeners where they can 3622 02:37:20,019 --> 02:37:17,270 find more of the things that you write 3623 02:37:24,729 --> 02:37:20,029 and talk about sure it's anomalies 3624 02:37:26,710 --> 02:37:24,739 dotnet a and om al IES net that's simple 3625 02:37:29,001 --> 02:37:26,720 enough anomalies net and of course we'll 3626 02:37:31,220 --> 02:37:29,011 have a link over here at 3627 02:37:33,890 --> 02:37:31,230 the para cast I come for that let me 3628 02:37:35,661 --> 02:37:33,900 tell her listeners that Chris O'Brien is 3629 02:37:38,331 --> 02:37:35,671 still doing it he's still autographing 3630 02:37:41,150 --> 02:37:38,341 those copies of stalking the herd if you 3631 02:37:43,881 --> 02:37:41,160 go to our strange planet.com our strange 3632 02:37:44,331 --> 02:37:43,891 planet calm and you order the book from 3633 02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:44,341 him 3634 02:37:47,961 --> 02:37:46,080 number one he gets all the money he 3635 02:37:49,640 --> 02:37:47,971 doesn't give it away to Jeff Bezos said 3636 02:37:52,220 --> 02:37:49,650 Amazon who doesn't need the money 3637 02:37:55,341 --> 02:37:52,230 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3651 02:38:29,180 --> 02:38:25,650 the para cast calm that's forum dr. 3652 02:38:31,970 --> 02:38:29,190 Peric ascom sign up it's free get 3653 02:38:33,140 --> 02:38:31,980 involved they say it's where it's at but 3654 02:38:34,610 --> 02:38:33,150 that's kind of something from the 3655 02:38:36,831 --> 02:38:34,620 seventies we don't do that anymore 3656 02:38:38,841 --> 02:38:36,841 Olaf Phillips thanks for joining us on 3657 02:38:40,461 --> 02:38:38,851 the power cast this week it was my 3658 02:38:42,470 --> 02:38:40,471 pleasure I really enjoyed it 3659 02:38:54,821 --> 02:38:42,480 it's a tough show wow you guys are 3660 02:39:01,251 --> 02:38:58,341 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3661 02:39:04,241 --> 02:39:01,261 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3662 02:39:08,180 --> 02:39:04,251 presentation of making the impossible